Norinco or Springfield ???
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I'm not convinced the Springfields are any better than a Norinco. They have their defective merchandise as well. I think its important to define your expectations. In all likelihood you will get a good shooting Norinco that will shot 3" groups at 100 yards with Surplus ammo out of the box and probably the same with a Springfield. With some fine tuning, possibly quite a bit better than that. If you want to compete in the States, you'd better buy a Springfield so that it can cross their border.
I've seen beautiful examples of both.
Buying a gun is kinda like a fat lady going on a diet. She should NEVER tell her friends what she intends to do, or suffer the endless pain of the nay-sayer, the jeerer, or the doubting Thomas. The best they can ever provide is advice without investment.
Typical retarded conversation cycle....
My advice is to buy what YOU"RE comfortable with or you'll never be happy. I think what Hungry is suggesting is to short circuit the whole process and be happy with a great rifle while spending much less.
Pretty Buddhist Hungry. I don't think you can go wrong there.
Buying a gun is kinda like a fat lady going on a diet. She should NEVER tell her friends what she intends to do, or suffer the endless pain of the nay-sayer, the jeerer, or the doubting Thomas. The best they can ever provide is advice without investment.
Typical retarded conversation cycle....
My advice is to buy what YOU"RE comfortable with or you'll never be happy. I think what Hungry is suggesting is to short circuit the whole process and be happy with a great rifle while spending much less.
Pretty Buddhist Hungry. I don't think you can go wrong there.
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Either way, it will cost you about $500.00 to $600.00 to get either rifle shooting properly. Either one is OK out of the box but I have found the Norks easier to work on! Remember, a U.S. M-14 issue rifle had to do 4 to 6 mins of angle for acceptance, most Norks do better than that.
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m14 is not the same animal as a m1a!
this to me reeks and is just a precursor to stupid remarks. gee what to buy a 500.00 chinese m1a or a 2000.00 us made m1a hmmm let me think. if you are in a position to actually ponder this you will see what i mean. if money is not a object buy the springfield, if money is tight buy the norinco.
4-6 moa out of a springfield m1a, ya and i can put out a gophers eye at 400 yards.
i hate the fact that many members here bash springfiield with out ever spending time with one.
this to me reeks and is just a precursor to stupid remarks. gee what to buy a 500.00 chinese m1a or a 2000.00 us made m1a hmmm let me think. if you are in a position to actually ponder this you will see what i mean. if money is not a object buy the springfield, if money is tight buy the norinco.
4-6 moa out of a springfield m1a, ya and i can put out a gophers eye at 400 yards.
i hate the fact that many members here bash springfiield with out ever spending time with one.
I have now spent quite a bit of time with both...
I would go with the Norinco every time.
I have seen 4 moa springers...and 8 moa socoms.
I buy norks, and spend about another $200 making them exactly the way I want them. My $600 rifles are generally better than the springfields I have shot...not as pretty but better shooters and (bizarrely) at least equal in terms of QC.
I would never spend the money on a springfield now. And I could easily afford it.
I would go with the Norinco every time.
I have seen 4 moa springers...and 8 moa socoms.
I buy norks, and spend about another $200 making them exactly the way I want them. My $600 rifles are generally better than the springfields I have shot...not as pretty but better shooters and (bizarrely) at least equal in terms of QC.
I would never spend the money on a springfield now. And I could easily afford it.
You've shot some #### Springfields in your time then.
Maybe you just need to try one that hasn't been abused? Not that it matters. I've shot my share of Norincos assembled by retards too. I've two sitting in my safe, NEITHER of which touch my Socom.
I must just be really lucky.
Or, the underscored point is that it isn't that the Springfield is so ####ty, but that you've spent a lot of time tuning Norcs?
I am a Norc m305 convert. Bought mine one day when I was super hung over. Forgot I bought it...She showed up all greasy and ready to go.
Shoots very well out of the box and with a few USGI mods looks the part...National Match tuned she is NOT. But I wanted a tough and ready battle rifle that I can beat on. Tuned M305=Perfect. Now for a brl chop job.
I love this rifle and this is coming from a PE90 snob.
Shoots very well out of the box and with a few USGI mods looks the part...National Match tuned she is NOT. But I wanted a tough and ready battle rifle that I can beat on. Tuned M305=Perfect. Now for a brl chop job.
I love this rifle and this is coming from a PE90 snob.
My Norc M-14 is the best $400 (plus $400 for another M-14 for my wife plus $500 in parts, mags, and accessories plus $1200 in ammo and reloading gear) that I ever spent.
If I'd gone Springfield, I could have bought the bare gun plus a few mags and a couple of hundred rounds. You can get a lot more for your M-14-induced bankruptcy buck going the Norc route.
If I'd gone Springfield, I could have bought the bare gun plus a few mags and a couple of hundred rounds. You can get a lot more for your M-14-induced bankruptcy buck going the Norc route
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i think watching born on the forth of july when i was like 13 or something.. was when my affair with the M14 started..
ive had 7 of them come in and out of my possession ( norinco's that is ) and plan to have many many more
You've shot some s**t Springfields in your time then.
Maybe you just need to try one that hasn't been abused? Not that it matters. I've shot my share of Norincos assembled by retards too. I've two sitting in my safe, NEITHER of which touch my Socom.
I must just be really lucky.
Or, the underscored point is that it isn't that the Springfield is so s**tty, but that you've spent a lot of time tuning Norcs?
pretty much sums it up. and they are still imo 500.00 rifles.
put your faith in a 500.00 rifle made in china? sign me up i look at it like this. when someone says they have it had it or can get it 9 out of 10 times they're running on empty. if you could buy a harley davidson why would you buy a vespa?
I have NO problems that they are a great rifle. I have no issue that they can be made more accurate than a Springfield with parts and work off their great receiver.
But when people start squawking how unrepairably ####ty the Springfield is, I start sneezing because my bull#### allergies act up.
But when people start squawking how unrepairably ####ty the Springfield is, I start sneezing because my bull#### allergies act up.
Wow. Feelings running hot. Here's a thought for those of you who won't buy a Springfield cause Norcs are just as good but cheaper. What are you going to buy when you can't buy a Norc anymore? Don't forget, limited supply and it is running out.
Here's a thought for those of you who think that US made is so much better. Read the M-14FiringLine forum for a while. People are having to send their Springfield's back for warranty work over and over again.
If I could buy an M-14 clone for $400 and spend some time tuning it and replacing a few inexpensive parts to get a good shooting rifle I would.
If I had the money to buy a Carlos Hathcock M-25 that would shoot like stink right out of the box I probably would.
Doesn't make me right either time. Different budget, different needs, different toys. That being said, the other nice thing about having a Chinese built rifle is that I don't have to worry too much about working on it myself. I am constantly amazed that people are sending their rifles out to this guy or that guy or back to Springfield to do stuff that we do in 45ACPKING's kitchen on the chicoms. On the other hand, if I had just dropped $2K into a rifle I might be hesitant about working on it myself too.
"Can't we all just get along?" instead of slagging each other for choice of rifle.
Here's a thought for those of you who think that US made is so much better. Read the M-14FiringLine forum for a while. People are having to send their Springfield's back for warranty work over and over again.
If I could buy an M-14 clone for $400 and spend some time tuning it and replacing a few inexpensive parts to get a good shooting rifle I would.
If I had the money to buy a Carlos Hathcock M-25 that would shoot like stink right out of the box I probably would.
Doesn't make me right either time. Different budget, different needs, different toys. That being said, the other nice thing about having a Chinese built rifle is that I don't have to worry too much about working on it myself. I am constantly amazed that people are sending their rifles out to this guy or that guy or back to Springfield to do stuff that we do in 45ACPKING's kitchen on the chicoms. On the other hand, if I had just dropped $2K into a rifle I might be hesitant about working on it myself too.
"Can't we all just get along?" instead of slagging each other for choice of rifle.
