Norma components
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Those Norma bullets look like 180 grain semi-boattail. On the end of the box should be, "INDEX NO 528."
Is your brass marked on the base with Re? Not likely, because their original brass was all marked Re, which we supposed meant "reloadable," but the 300 W Mag was a newer calibre for Norma. The 7x61 Sharp and Hart, pushed by the hot Norma factory loading, was a very popular calibre in the high quality Schultz & Larsen rifles that was coming on like gang busters and that was what gave Winchester the nudge to come out with their 300 Win mag.
In my early reloading I used Norma components virtually exclusive. In my first reloading manual, the Norma Gunbugs Guide, all 25 pages of it, covered all one needed to know, to be able to safely and efficiently reload ammunition. At the printing of their first manual, their rifle powders consisted of, from the fastest, 200, 201, 203 and 204. I had been reloading for a year or two before #205 came out, which some years later was named Norma MRP. That range of powder completely filled the need of everything from the 222 Remington to the largest of magnum cases. I'm not sure there are any better powders to this day. The two slowest powders, 204 and 205/MRP are usually loaded the same as IMR 4350 and H4831, but Norma powder is denser, allowing more to be put in the case, plus the same load will usually give a little more velocity than will equal amounts of IMR4350 or H4831.
At the time I used Norma components I also used RWS primers. I have part of a box left over from the sixties and the ones I bought the other day are the same lot number!
But I'm mystified by the Norma primers, as I have never seen them before. I do have some loads made up for my 243, with everything the same, including H414 ball powder, except the primers, and I am using CCI standard as a base, against CCI magnum, RWS and the Norma primers. Will post the results after I shoot them.
Edited to say I didn't do too well in describing the effect Schultz & Larsen rifles and Norma ammunition had on the shooting world.
The two very popular calibres were the 7x61 and the 308 Norma magnum. In the later 1950s and '60s, these two were making great inroads into the heavier calibre, flat shooting, long range hunting cartridges. They both were extremely popular in BC. and probably the US mountain states.
Those two calibres prompted Remington to bring out the 7mm Rem. mag. in 1962 and Winchester to introduce the their 300 magnum, in 1963.
Bruce
Is your brass marked on the base with Re? Not likely, because their original brass was all marked Re, which we supposed meant "reloadable," but the 300 W Mag was a newer calibre for Norma. The 7x61 Sharp and Hart, pushed by the hot Norma factory loading, was a very popular calibre in the high quality Schultz & Larsen rifles that was coming on like gang busters and that was what gave Winchester the nudge to come out with their 300 Win mag.
In my early reloading I used Norma components virtually exclusive. In my first reloading manual, the Norma Gunbugs Guide, all 25 pages of it, covered all one needed to know, to be able to safely and efficiently reload ammunition. At the printing of their first manual, their rifle powders consisted of, from the fastest, 200, 201, 203 and 204. I had been reloading for a year or two before #205 came out, which some years later was named Norma MRP. That range of powder completely filled the need of everything from the 222 Remington to the largest of magnum cases. I'm not sure there are any better powders to this day. The two slowest powders, 204 and 205/MRP are usually loaded the same as IMR 4350 and H4831, but Norma powder is denser, allowing more to be put in the case, plus the same load will usually give a little more velocity than will equal amounts of IMR4350 or H4831.
At the time I used Norma components I also used RWS primers. I have part of a box left over from the sixties and the ones I bought the other day are the same lot number!
But I'm mystified by the Norma primers, as I have never seen them before. I do have some loads made up for my 243, with everything the same, including H414 ball powder, except the primers, and I am using CCI standard as a base, against CCI magnum, RWS and the Norma primers. Will post the results after I shoot them.
Edited to say I didn't do too well in describing the effect Schultz & Larsen rifles and Norma ammunition had on the shooting world.
The two very popular calibres were the 7x61 and the 308 Norma magnum. In the later 1950s and '60s, these two were making great inroads into the heavier calibre, flat shooting, long range hunting cartridges. They both were extremely popular in BC. and probably the US mountain states.
Those two calibres prompted Remington to bring out the 7mm Rem. mag. in 1962 and Winchester to introduce the their 300 magnum, in 1963.
Bruce
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I also have some of those "Index 528" Norma bullets in my stores. They are a decent bullet, for a C&C type.
I, like Bruce, cut my reloading teeth with Norma components. I used them in several cartridges, including the 308 Norma Mag.
Still have and use: N200, N201, N202, N203b, N204, MRP, and URP. 203b and URP are more recent Norma offerings.
N205/MRP is a particular useful powder, as Bruce mentioned, due to it's density, and is the only powder I was able to reach
2900 with a 180 Partition in the 30-06, and flirt with 3000 in the 7x57 with the 140 Partition in 24" barrels.
Regards, Dave.
I, like Bruce, cut my reloading teeth with Norma components. I used them in several cartridges, including the 308 Norma Mag.
Still have and use: N200, N201, N202, N203b, N204, MRP, and URP. 203b and URP are more recent Norma offerings.
N205/MRP is a particular useful powder, as Bruce mentioned, due to it's density, and is the only powder I was able to reach
2900 with a 180 Partition in the 30-06, and flirt with 3000 in the 7x57 with the 140 Partition in 24" barrels.
Regards, Dave.
Norma was the go to manufacturer for a lot of looking for higher quality components back in the day. Still have some left, haven't seen a lot of new stuff for quite a while. - dan
You should be able to drive those 200 to 2700 and pennies with Norma MRP. My load clocks 2715, using 59.0 grains of MRP in a 24" tube.
This load is also very accurate, averaging around ¾ moa in my Lazerguard. I would start at 57 grains and work up. Dave.
Sounds good - thanks.
BTW those 150 Partitions I picked up from you are ~2970 fps with 60.5gr RL26 out of my wife's T3 (.270 Win of course). Accuracy was only OK at 1.25", but I am sure some fiddling will improve that as well.
My 30-06 has a 24 inch barrel, but it is a "slow" rifle, meaning it shoots the same loads about 50-75 fps slower than many other rifles.
With that rifle it took 60.5 grains of Norma 205, to get to 2715 with 200 grain bullets, either Speer or Nosler.
Shortly after that I was looking through older Norma literature and found a chart that showed 60 grains of Norma 205, for 2700 fps with a 200 grain bullet!
I have said so many times that Norma loading charts are so accurate.
My loads showed no sign of over load, but I was glad to see it was right out of a Norma chart as a standard load. Their old loading charts never showed a "starting" and "maximum" load. Just one load, but they stated to build up to the loads.
With that rifle it took 60.5 grains of Norma 205, to get to 2715 with 200 grain bullets, either Speer or Nosler.
Shortly after that I was looking through older Norma literature and found a chart that showed 60 grains of Norma 205, for 2700 fps with a 200 grain bullet!
I have said so many times that Norma loading charts are so accurate.
My loads showed no sign of over load, but I was glad to see it was right out of a Norma chart as a standard load. Their old loading charts never showed a "starting" and "maximum" load. Just one load, but they stated to build up to the loads.
GunsNotPuns
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Part of my haul this weekend also included some old Norma bullets...
