Nosler Accubond vs Partition

sunray said:
"...deer to moose..." No game will care or know the difference. Never been a big fan of premium bullets myself. Bullets are expensive enough without adding the marketing dept's BS.
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I think the main target for the premium bullet/cartridge pushers is the customers wallet. :rolleyes:
For cartridges with modest velocities the Remington Core-Lokt can't be beat.
One shot kills on moose with 170 grain Core-Lokts from a 30-30 model 94 (pre-64 of course).
I guess my last years moose didn't know it wasn't supposed to die when shot with an inadequate caliber like a 30-30 firing non-premium cartridges but there it lies in the bottom of my freezer.
Bought a bunch of 170 grain Remington Core-Lokt ammo for $14.94 a box on sale from an unnamed Canadian:canadaFlag: outdoors store (not a CGN sponsor so I won't mention the name) yesterday.
Pretty hard to beat that price and all the ammo I'll need to feed 4 x 30-30 leverguns for the rest of my life.
Now all I have to do is keep the skinning knife sharp.
It's going to get a lot of use.
 
Gunoholic said:
For cartridges with modest velocities the Remington Core-Lokt can't be beat.
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For that portion of your statement, I will agree.
However, many of us are using rifles with chamberings that deliver more than "modest" velocities.

This is where the premium bullet comes to the fore, particularly at short ranges.

Even the 270 Winchester will drive a 130 grain bullet fast enough that any common cup/core bullet will turn inside out
if it hits a larger bone.
At that point penetration ceases. I have seen enough of these scenarios to know they do occur.
Even had one personal experience with my 270 and a Whitetail buck. [Hornady 140 Interlock]

Premium bullets in these more intense chamberings simply give us a greater confidence in the field.
Besides, the actual cost of the bullet is but a minute fraction of the overall cost of the hunt, so why not a premium?

If you are having good success with your 30-30 and the Cor-Lokts, enjoy your moosemeat.

Regards, Eagleye.
 
Dave makes a very good point in that if you choose to shoot a rifle with a muzzle velocity below 2800 fps then premium bullets are not necessary, C+C bullets are mostly designed to function fine at these velocities. When you start pushing 3000-3300-3700 fps is when you require the best bullets on the market. The strains on these bullets at these speeds go up exponentially, and the likelyhood of bullet failure goes up exponentially as well. I have seen C+C bullets totally fail as recent as 3 weeks ago, when I drove a 270 gn Speer HC into a black bear at approx 50-60 mtrs,at 3030 fps and got less than 8" penetration and the bullet completely fragmented on his lower lip skin before entering the neck in 6 different places. Bear in mind (little word play there) this was a 9.3 cal 270 gn bullet impacting at more than 3000 fps on a 250-300 lb animal, good performance would have been 4 ft of penetration, or at this angle at least an exit wound. There was none!! I, on the other hand smacked a black bear square in the a$$ at 30 ft with my 350 RM and 225 AB and got an instant dead bear and more than 4 ft of penetration at 2900 fps impact velocity, so you can't tell me premium bullets don't work and aren't needed with the calibers I hunt with. JMHO !!!!

Again Sunray I have to ask, do you say these things just to troll.......................or do you really know that little about firearms, internal ballistics, external ballistics and bullet performance?..........Seriously.........
 
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Eagleye said:
For that portion of your statement, I will agree.
However, many of us are using rifles with chamberings that deliver more than "modest" velocities.

This is where the premium bullet comes to the fore, particularly at short ranges.

Even the 270 Winchester will drive a 130 grain bullet fast enough that any common cup/core bullet will turn inside out
if it hits a larger bone.
At that point penetration ceases. I have seen enough of these scenarios to know they do occur.
Even had one personal experience with my 270 and a Whitetail buck. [Hornady 140 Interlock]

Premium bullets in these more intense chamberings simply give us a greater confidence in the field.
Besides, the actual cost of the bullet is but a minute fraction of the overall cost of the hunt, so why not a premium?

If you are having good success with your 30-30 and the Cor-Lokts, enjoy your moosemeat.

Regards, Eagleye.
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I'm giving you a slow clap Dave. You describe things that always make sense.
 
c-fbmi said:
Again Sunray I have to ask, do you say these things just to troll.......................or do you really know that little about firearms, internal ballistics, external ballistics and bullet performance?..........Seriously.........
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OK, you have now asked him the question twice. Two days ago you were apologizing to him in the gunsmith section...

Sunray is not that hard to figure out. He posts his garbage and then heads on to the next thread to do the same, barely ever returning to see the responses to what he posted. He has almost 17000 posts, yet he still has not figured out how to properly quote a post. Really that hard to figure out?

I personally don't think that anyone should be taking firearms advice from Sunray, especially reloading advice. It is very obvious that his experience is lacking. The Ignore function does work here at CGN.
 
He must have gone dormant for a while as this is the first I've seen his posts (past month) for the past 1.5 years since I joined. But I am seeing the trend, as you say. I was just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt......If he is just a high frequency nuisance poster, is this not grounds to ban?
 
I have used Nosler Parts. in both my .308 and 30-06 for 30+yrs now and have never had a fail. Even at 510yd shot at my bull moose with the 30-06 it was done two shots both were only 2 inches apart and that moose never went anywhere. I have full trust in the Nosler Parts.
 
I'm approaching 30yrs of loading Partitions in maybe 7 calibres so far, and have never had bad results. I'll try anything, on paper at least, but am hesitant to try something new on game until or unless I see a reason to. I tried loading the 250gr Accubonds in my 9.3x62mm when fooling around with powder, bullet & brass combinations. That Accubond fairly significantly beat all others in my Tikka for accuracy, and that included the 286gr 9.3mm Partition. I ran the longer-range performance & it seemed to offer enough improvement over the Partition that it was worth playing with. No Accubonds recovered yet, from any of the animals they've dropped hard & fast.
Might any generic el-cheapo have performed as well given the same hits? Probably, but in 4x 1-shot kills between 30-270m I believe the accuracy of the Accubond helped me put the rounds where they were needed.
I hunted with Ballistic Tips, once, using 140gr loaded in 7mm Mag. Accuracy was great, but I was not impressed after the first deer. I've visually compared the 9.3mm 250gr Ballistic Tip (now discontinued) and the 250gr Accubond. Other than the different tip colour they were indistinguishable, but I was willing to give them a go due to the bonded construction. Glad I did.
 
I've heard a lot of good things about the Partitions, and that they were the benchmark standard for hunting bullets (which seems to be echoed here), so I ended up going out and buying 3 boxes of 180 grain partitions to start doing some load development and testing velocities through my hunting rifle when that finally arrives. Thankfully there is a lot of ballistic calculators and information that I can use to calculate estimated performance at range, but I did find something interesting when looking at the ballistic models.

I was focusing primarily on the 1800 fps velocity as the floor number, as Nosler recommends that from 1800 fps and up is where you will begin getting optimal terminal ballistic performance. So, considering the combination of BC, muzzle velocity and energy, I found that at 180 grains, there is still enough energy at 1800 fps to be taking down large game. If your muzzle velocity is 2600 fps, then you should be able to reach out as far as 400 yards before the bullet slows too much. With lighter 30 caliber bullets, you can push them faster, but what I found was that they typically didn't have the energy to still be ideal for large game before reaching 1800 fps.

Of course, I have never hunted before, so I've been looking at this as mainly a numbers game. Once I do get my rifle, I will be putting together a number of load testing batches and trying them out before any of my ammunition sees an animal. I am pretty stoked about these partitions though and look forward to hunting with them.
 
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