I really hate to agree with you (especially on a public forum) but I think you have a good point. I have been a Nosler Partition man for over ten years now but my hunting partner is a hornady man. What is supposed to happen to a $23.00 per hundred bullet exceeding 3000fps is they turn themselves inside out when hitting deer and moose between 50 and 400 yards. I can honestly tell you that we have retrieved numerous hornady plain jane spire points out of deer and moose for a long time now, these were all loaded hot by me for the .264 win mag 100gr. and 129gr., .378wby 270gr., and I am going to try these plain jane cheap o's in my 7mm STW next hunting season. I'm not talking about two guy's with tags. In the last few years our children have reached hunting age and between our two family's at least six deer and a moose go down with these bullets every year. My son turned 14 a couple years back and I set him up with a .264. I saw in that yearly hogdon magazine they put out that if you use hogdon 4895 you can actually download quite a good variety of cartridges to 60% of max and not risk hang fires. No other powder company offers that info. that I am aware of. Anyways I am going a little of topic here, but what I am trying to say is everyone seems to think that a kid starting out has to shoot a .243 or some other coyote gun for their first kill on big game. I downloaded my son's .264 with 100gr. cheap o hornady's and his first buck went down freehand at 150 yds. we retrieved the bullet (low velocity) and it was perfect. The point is that I can't say that I have ever witnessed a cheap o hornady fail on deer or moose, and If anyone out there has , I would love to here their story and see pics of the bullet. I have to be honest and tell you that I have seen sierra gamekings (.378wby) and nosler ballistic tips (.264 win) turn inside out upon entering the animal and I won't buy them unless I'm shootin paper or coyotes.