Not sure what to call this Thread..Evocative....Provocative..you tell me!

My Cousin who lived in the Montgomery area of Calgary had the Police called o him several years ago. Someone reported he had severed dogs heads in a garbage bag behind his house. Turns out he cleaned some deer, processed them and tossed the heads in the garbage. A cat or somthing got in there and ripped the bags wide open and a passer by spotted the horror. Still makes me laugh. :D
 
Kind of reminds me of the mythbusters tv show. They told a story where they'd be driving down the street with a few dead pigs in the back. People would give them strange looks then they'd realize who they were.
 
Good thread 7.62mm

I remember when I did my course for my hunting certificate close to 25 years ago. The instructor stressed the need to be a little discrete when transporting game. It was his opinion that covering a deer with a tarp in the back of your truck would help the pro-hunting cause vs. the strap the carcass to the hood of the truck and parade it through town method that was at one time a ritual here in Quebec. The arguments I read in this thread were arguements being promoted long before some hunters here on CGN were even born. I don't hide the fact that I am a hunter and a shooter, never have and never will. Yet I am very concious of the image I must project if I am to help the cause.
 
Covering up an animal doesn't show it any respect, you are just hiding it from view, which surely isn't respectful...

Tying a deer to the hood of a car is just going to spoil meat.
 
I've seen a moose head go up and down the main street in Grande Prairie tied to the roof of a truck with back in black playing over a loud speaker megaphone type thing...I thought it was funny, ina "you guys are cracked" kinda way..but completely uncalled for.

once again, for me it's about kids and such. I would much rather drive to an elementary school yard with an animal in the truck... where you can actually chat and explain about hunting and harvesting and meat etc etc.

Driving down a city street, you are relying on the kids parents to explain that deer hanging out the back...and based on the number of antis, a good many wouldn't be explaining about the tradition of hunting and quality of wild meat:rolleyes:

I once had my car parked in my driveway and the hoofs hanging out...
some kids walking home from school were looking at it and I was in the bathrom and saw thenm through the window, ... a couple of the little ones were legitimately, and honestly sad,...

I ran out, they were all full of questions etc. A whole lot of curiosity,..
I let them come over and look at it,..a couple wanted to know if they could touch it etc...I let them. I told them i was going to make sausages..and they looked at me like i had thre heads. Then one little fella, quite outspoken said he'd put the whole thing in a big pot and make some soup...

So they went on their way. Half an hour later I'm in the shed and I see two kids and their moms standing by the gate,...the kids went home, and the moms said "right or wrong they had to bring us down to see the deer"
I laughed,..they came in and had a look,..one mom said oh that's gross,..and the kids laughed at her.... we had a little chat and that was that.

What never occurred to me until long long after, was how many other kids walked by or did I pass by thatdidn't get the "guided tour of sealhunter"
what impression did they take from it? I have seen little ones cry to break their hearts after seeing a dead cat,...

I don't want to turn off the little ones simply due to my poor etiquette and their parents poor explainations..
 
I'm a bit of a fence sitter on this one. Mostly it comes down to resepcting my neighbours and having them respect me. I live in the middle of the city in a quiet neighbourhood. I don't hide that I'm a hunter, but I'm respectful of the fact that not everybody likes it. I carry my guns to the truck cased, but I'll wear my orange blaze. I'll carry birds openly but I'll try to avoid anything graphic. Ie. When my dog kennel was completely caked in blood from an antelope hide. I cleaned that first before pulling up and parking over night in front of the house. Honestly, I wouldn't really want to see it either.
There was a fatal murder involving a shotgun a block from my house two years ago. I like to keep the neighbours from getting jumpy.
 
Well, if a cattle rancher was to put 10 cows in the back of a pickup and drive through town, then I think that would raise some questions!

I don't think we, as hunters, have to hide, but I certainly don't feel we need to shove our sport into the face of others in order to survive!

I don't like other people shoving their stuff in my face for any reason, I expect no less of myself when trying to respect others.
 
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Well, if a cattle rancher was to put 10 cows in the back of a pickup and drive through town, then I think that would raise some questions!

I don't think we, as hunters, have to hide, but I certainly don't feel we need to shove our sport into the face of others in order to survive!

I don't like other people shoving their stuff in my face for any reason, I expect no less of myself when trying to respect others.
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Well said.

Ron
 
oopswasthatyourdog? said:
I remember when I did my course for my hunting certificate close to 25 years ago. The instructor stressed the need to be a little discrete when transporting game. It was his opinion that covering a deer with a tarp in the back of your truck would help the pro-hunting cause vs. the strap the carcass to the hood of the truck and parade it through town method that was at one time a ritual here in Quebec. The arguments I read in this thread were arguements being promoted long before some hunters here on CGN were even born. I don't hide the fact that I am a hunter and a shooter, never have and never will. Yet I am very concious of the image I must project if I am to help the cause.
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It's about forty years ago, here in BC, when people who wanted to continue hunting, started to advocate being discrete in hauling home game.
Things have changed so much in that time, that it is far more important now, than it was then.
Showing off your dead animals is not going to encourage, or convince anyone, to become a hunter. But it certainly can raise the ire of many of that vast majority of people in Canada who are against hunting.
In short, it can do nothing but harm to the hunting community, to publically exhibit our dead game.
 
some ways of having a dead animal in the back of a truck are more tasteful than others.
if its got blood dripping out with a slit through and the body cavety wide open, thats not really tasteful, for anyone to see or want to see going down a street. (many little kids would be really freakked out by that)

toss a tarp on it. was taught in my hunter ed class to respect everyone. and that sometimes means being tasteful with your kills in your truck.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that when you HIDE something, it becomes a "dirty little secret"

When gun racks in the back of pick ups, loaded with rifles were normal, nobody got upset. It was considered NORMAL behavior to own a rifle.

Nowadays, wen you do that, it is considered dangerous and crazy. and police are called.

The more you HIDE something, the more people are distanced from it, and the more they re suspicious of it.

Don't ever HIDE that you hunt, or own guns. It's NORMAL to hunt.

Hunters and shooters that decided to "hide" their activities have done MORE disservice to their fellow hunters than any anti hunter. We should have just kept on doing what we did. Hiding hunting and shooting marginalized us, and we might never recover from it.
 
i don't hunt, i have a passion for guns but i don't hunt,i don't wish too either, although i do agree with hunting and have absolutely nothing against it, maybe the best way around all this is to get window marker and and wright on your rear window that you've just been hunting, bagged whatever it is and write the specs about it. that way nobody has to see it but then you can advertise that you do infact hunt and you can even brag about the size of your trophy (unless its not of trophy size)

possibly a stupid idea but if it was me i just may do it then again you may look dumber in the process and just showing it off may look a little better
just my 0.02
nate
 
Gatehouse said:
One thing to keep in mind is that when you HIDE something, it becomes a "dirty little secret"

When gun racks in the back of pick ups, loaded with rifles were normal, nobody got upset. It was considered NORMAL behavior to own a rifle.

Nowadays, wen you do that, it is considered dangerous and crazy. and police are called.

The more you HIDE something, the more people are distanced from it, and the more they re suspicious of it.

Don't ever HIDE that you hunt, or own guns. It's NORMAL to hunt.

Hunters and shooters that decided to "hide" their activities have done MORE disservice to their fellow hunters than any anti hunter. We should have just kept on doing what we did. Hiding hunting and shooting marginalized us, and we might never recover from it.
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This is kind of my thoughts on this as well. Although, there are some valid points about being discreet, I don't know that it really helps us in the big picture.

Years ago, the whole family was involved in the hunt, right from harvest to processing, and eventually eating of the game. Now, most food is bought from a store of some form or another, and most people only see the final wrapped up product. This is serving as a disconnect to reality. Agreed that most people would be horrified at witnessing a kill house for pigs or cattle, but it is a necessary product of modern society.

For me, I am not going to hide what I do! It is legal, and normal. I quite enjoy the trip back from hunt camp to SW Ontario, down Hwy. 11 and 400, and seeing deer strapped to an ATV rack or in the trailer of a fellow hunters vehicle. I always give them a nod, or a wave, and we both share in the spirit of a successful hunt.

Think of the children:runaway: Is it really so difficult for a parent to explain to a child the hierarchy of creatures on this planet. We are humans, we are at the top of the food chain, we hunt and kill in order to survive! They are going to learn that fact sooner or later! Sorry to be so harsh, but it really is a simple matter of life.
 
7.62mm said:
Think of the children:runaway: Is it really so difficult for a parent to explain to a child the hierarchy of creatures on this planet. We are humans, we are at the top of the food chain, we hunt and kill in order to survive! They are going to learn that fact sooner or later! Sorry to be so harsh, but it really is a simple matter of life.
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its not to much to ask for parents to do this. atleast in my views, but with the majority of parents these days using schools and daycamps to raise their kids instead of themselvs, most parents dont have anything to do with their kids growing up right.
 
sealhunter said:
I don't and wouldn't drive around with animals hanging out unless it's on my route, and then I try to make it lokk a bit clean. i have seen animals going down the mainstreet in the city with bloody heads and blood dripping on the pavement...

I don't think little kids that have never been exposed, should have their first exposure to be an animal hanging out the back dripping blood.
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This is the only reason to "hide" the results of hunting. You are confusing shocking adults with damaging a child's image of hunting. We shouldn't cover up our kill(s) out of shame or something, it's just to avoid disturbing some young kid that hasn't had the reality explained to them.
Shocking a well adjusted adult is not a huge deal (I couldn't care less about this), but we need to introduce children to hunting in an organized way otherwise they won't understand, and more often than not people fear what they don't understand.
Let's all be a little sensitive to this and work to create more future hunters and not more future anti hunters.
 
proonur said:
...Shocking a well adjusted adult is not a huge deal...
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This seems to be the problem. I believe that most anti's have yet to confront the fact that they themselves will be dead one day - and possibly, right soon.

However...

One year while hunting as a party of 8, 4 moose were taken: bull, cow, and two calves. (I wouldn't have, but that's another discussion). One of the guys took the heads of all 4 animals and tied them to the front and to the roof of his pick-up and paraded them around for 2 days. I thought to be in extremely poor taste and I don't hunt with him any more.
 
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