nothing worse than labeling a hunter as a murderer..
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There are many worse things to call a hunter than a Murderer. Murder is the intentional unlawful killing of a human, so calling a hunter a Murderer is not offensive or hurtful, it's just plain stupid.
Now calling a Hunter a "Killer", that's a complement, because good hunters kill things.
Now calling a Hunter a "Killer", that's a complement, because good hunters kill things.
Pretty hard to argue with people who have already made up their minds but some points to mention,
- farming requires the destruction of hundreds of millions of acres of natural habitat, the subsequent death of millions of animals and has placed numerous species at risk. That's not to say farming is bad, its necessary, but its pure hypocrisy to claim an ethical and moral superiority because you eat farmed raised products.
- wild game is generally considered healthier to eat than farm raised animals.
- hunting raises the human awareness of our impact on the habitat of animals. Hunters see first hand the affects of pollution, over exploitation and over population.
- legal hunting is a natural form of wildlife management and is directly responsible for the health and well being of many species of animals put at risk from the other activities of human population. The migratory bird populations are one great example.
- being actively involved in obtaining your food, whether through hunting or farming, gives you a much healthier respect for the earth and the environment. Those who never put more effort into feeding themselves than pulling food from a grocery store have no basis for understanding their impact on the earth.
- The unavoidable demands of agriculture on scales large enough to feed our poupaltions means that Vegans are still responsible for the death of animals and exploiting the earth to gain their sustenance, they've simply removed themselves a step or two from the killing.
- farming requires the destruction of hundreds of millions of acres of natural habitat, the subsequent death of millions of animals and has placed numerous species at risk. That's not to say farming is bad, its necessary, but its pure hypocrisy to claim an ethical and moral superiority because you eat farmed raised products.
- wild game is generally considered healthier to eat than farm raised animals.
- hunting raises the human awareness of our impact on the habitat of animals. Hunters see first hand the affects of pollution, over exploitation and over population.
- legal hunting is a natural form of wildlife management and is directly responsible for the health and well being of many species of animals put at risk from the other activities of human population. The migratory bird populations are one great example.
- being actively involved in obtaining your food, whether through hunting or farming, gives you a much healthier respect for the earth and the environment. Those who never put more effort into feeding themselves than pulling food from a grocery store have no basis for understanding their impact on the earth.
- The unavoidable demands of agriculture on scales large enough to feed our poupaltions means that Vegans are still responsible for the death of animals and exploiting the earth to gain their sustenance, they've simply removed themselves a step or two from the killing.
Ask him if what makes him so self righteous is the fact he gets someone else to do the killing for him. Grouse Man is right though, its a waste of time to debate this with someone typically, they are only trying to get your goat.
I like to get biblical at times. (Note I am not religious at all)
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.”
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.”
Well posted ckc123. Non hunters, anti gunners and anti outdoor sport people in general tend to be loud, hard core unbending creatures. This (for lack of better word) "hippie attitude" creates a human that will continue to spout unfounded crap facts long after the insightful side of the debate has ended. They are much like hard core religious and ethnic groups that want you to abandon your rational beliefs and principals and buy into their S**T. Save your breath and keep enjoying your sport.
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I'll take that a step further.
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every
beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all
that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the
sea; into your hand are they delivered.
9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even
as the green herb have I given you all things.
AMEN!!11
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BTW, Didn't you guys know that they make meat at stores now?
/sarcasm off.
/sarcasm off.
I don't have the argument. If someone challenges me on this my response is similar to the one I use to defend firearms ownership. It goes something like this:
"Hunting is a legal activity. I passed the courses and have hunting licenses issued by the provincial and federal government. Having justified my activity to two levels of government and had it approved by them I don't have the slightest inclination to explain myself to the likes of you because I don't give a damn what your opinion is."
Usually stops the conversation right there.
"Hunting is a legal activity. I passed the courses and have hunting licenses issued by the provincial and federal government. Having justified my activity to two levels of government and had it approved by them I don't have the slightest inclination to explain myself to the likes of you because I don't give a damn what your opinion is."
Usually stops the conversation right there.
I think this happens to all of us at some point. I've had this arguement so many times that I have formed the same response.
Oh you don't believe in hunting, you're a vegetarian then?
No I just buy my meat in stores.
So by paying people to kill animals for you you feel morally superior to me?
Well no but it's more humane.
So raising animals in captivity for their entire life and shipping them cross country in transports to mass slaughter is more humane than a quick death in their natural environment?
Usually they start shutting up by this point.
Oh you don't believe in hunting, you're a vegetarian then?
No I just buy my meat in stores.
So by paying people to kill animals for you you feel morally superior to me?
Well no but it's more humane.
So raising animals in captivity for their entire life and shipping them cross country in transports to mass slaughter is more humane than a quick death in their natural environment?
Usually they start shutting up by this point.
Sometimes there's a glimmer of hope. I'll often invite that person to come along on a hunt or do some target shooting. I have about a 50% conversion rate. I'm happy with that.
I also assess quickly if the person is just yapping incessantly about somehtign they know nothing about and have no interest in learning.
In those cases I simply say "Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up your date tonight."
I also assess quickly if the person is just yapping incessantly about somehtign they know nothing about and have no interest in learning.
In those cases I simply say "Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up your date tonight."
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First, it's called hunting because there's no guarantee of success. What's the success rate on general bull elk, 14%?
How much money is spent by hunters to achieve that 14%?(it's lot's)
Second, at least in AB, we are licenced by the federal gov't as well as the prov. gov't to effectively act as the province's "agent"(use the term loosely only for eg.) to help manage game populations.
If we weren't hunting, the gov't Would be culling, every single year, and in areas where there's traffic, there'd be a lot more people killed by hitting animals while driving.
Not that logic will mean anything.
First, it's called hunting because there's no guarantee of success. What's the success rate on general bull elk, 14%?
How much money is spent by hunters to achieve that 14%?(it's lot's)
Second, at least in AB, we are licenced by the federal gov't as well as the prov. gov't to effectively act as the province's "agent"(use the term loosely only for eg.) to help manage game populations.
If we weren't hunting, the gov't Would be culling, every single year, and in areas where there's traffic, there'd be a lot more people killed by hitting animals while driving.
Not that logic will mean anything.
