"semi-automatic firearms as too unreliable for ATC"
And yet they give them to thier own officers, interesting. - dan
And yet they give them to thier own officers, interesting. - dan
Notice to BC wilderness ATC holders
- Thread starter ryanb
- Start date
I think that someone needs to point out that revolvers are also unreliable when filled with dirt and sticks and such....
I think it has to be mentioned to the officer that you take the same care of your weapon (or better) then LEO officers like dfo and CO, some things to mention is that you are ,
- left handed, a revolver does not work well for you
- are going to use a full flap holster that totally covers the gun and keeps dirt out
- you find revolver grips to small for you
- when loaded properly the 10mm launches a 200gr projectile at 1200 fps giving the same ballistics as a .41 magnum but with 10 shots
- the automatic pistol, most notably in the glock platform has been renowned for reliabilty and ability to funtion no matter what.
an automatic will function the same as a revolver, maybe even better if there is a gross intrusion of material into the holster.
I think one of the problems they see is what type of holsters these people are carrying thier guns in.... I imagine a lot of uncle mike and bladetech kydex holsters are being used. personally I would not settle for anything but a bianachi m12 style with a flap, us cavalry style would even be better.
I think it has to be mentioned to the officer that you take the same care of your weapon (or better) then LEO officers like dfo and CO, some things to mention is that you are ,
- left handed, a revolver does not work well for you
- are going to use a full flap holster that totally covers the gun and keeps dirt out
- you find revolver grips to small for you
- when loaded properly the 10mm launches a 200gr projectile at 1200 fps giving the same ballistics as a .41 magnum but with 10 shots
- the automatic pistol, most notably in the glock platform has been renowned for reliabilty and ability to funtion no matter what.
an automatic will function the same as a revolver, maybe even better if there is a gross intrusion of material into the holster.
I think one of the problems they see is what type of holsters these people are carrying thier guns in.... I imagine a lot of uncle mike and bladetech kydex holsters are being used. personally I would not settle for anything but a bianachi m12 style with a flap, us cavalry style would even be better.
Are any of you fella's members of the CSSA or NFA? You really need the CFO to feel like he openned up a can of worms and to do that you need to create a s_hitstorm for these beaurocrats. File as many access to information requests as you can think of, have the CSSA and NFA lawyers file legal notices, and demand refusals in writing for the explicit purpose of taking them to court.
I can't believe this @sshat would be stupid enough to start dictating which handguns he'll issue ATC's for.... he's leaving the province wide open to liability claims. "The CFO wouldn't renew my semi-auto ATC so I was forced to buy this revolver. When the cougar attacked, I wasn't proficient with the revolver and missed with my first shot. Unfortunately I also wasn't prepared for the added recoil of the revolver and the cougar was on me before I could get off a second round."
I can't believe this @sshat would be stupid enough to start dictating which handguns he'll issue ATC's for.... he's leaving the province wide open to liability claims. "The CFO wouldn't renew my semi-auto ATC so I was forced to buy this revolver. When the cougar attacked, I wasn't proficient with the revolver and missed with my first shot. Unfortunately I also wasn't prepared for the added recoil of the revolver and the cougar was on me before I could get off a second round."
- Location
- Kumankissmyass, BC
Please join or donate to the RFOCBC,,they tend to stay a tune of provincial situations like this..
Good suggestion.
As odd as it sounds, I believe the provincial CFO is a federal government appointment is it not? If so, then regardless of which province we are from, everybody that has a Conservative MP could write a letter to their rep telling them that we expect this dip#### to get straightened out. He should be following legal requirements - not making them up.
MauserMike
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- SW Ontario
You can make Stockwell Day aware of the problem, but because the the F-U way the Firearms Act is administered, I believe the CFO falls under Provincial Jurisdiction.
We used to think the Provincial administration was a good thing when they ignored the Firearms Act. Now it is biting us in the ass at every turn. First Quebec and Ontario, now BC is jumping on the stupidity wagon.
Get NFA and CSSA involved for sure. I wouldn't be surprised to hear they are already on this.
We used to think the Provincial administration was a good thing when they ignored the Firearms Act. Now it is biting us in the ass at every turn. First Quebec and Ontario, now BC is jumping on the stupidity wagon.
Get NFA and CSSA involved for sure. I wouldn't be surprised to hear they are already on this.
In that case I will stop at Mike DeJong's office this morning and discuss this with him or at least make an appointment to see him if he is not in today.
If this is provincial I guarantee that it is the federal Lieberal leaning Chilliwack MLA/Minister of Public Safety and Solicitor General John Les that is behind this.
He ran as a federal Lieberal before he ran for the provincial Liberals and is basically as anti-gun as you can get...
If this is provincial I guarantee that it is the federal Lieberal leaning Chilliwack MLA/Minister of Public Safety and Solicitor General John Les that is behind this.
He ran as a federal Lieberal before he ran for the provincial Liberals and is basically as anti-gun as you can get...
- Location
- Kumankissmyass, BC
MauserMike
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- SW Ontario
Sounds like some jackass needs to be dropped in the middle of grizzly country with a pint of honey poured on his arse!
buy a S&W 610 ??
send the BC CFO the Ted Nugent vs Cape buff hunting video ??
Seriously though, that is pretty messed up.
I included my K22's registration cert # on my renewal one time, just to see if they actualy read and cross-referenced applications (they do), but they had no issue with my G17 and 357 revolvers.
Here is the info on ATC's issued in Canada that you were refering too...
Table 5 – Authorizations to Carry Handguns and Restricted Firearms,
Issued 1 September 2004 to 20 April 2006
Province / Territory Protection Against Wildlife Armoured Vehicle Industry
British Columbia/Yukon 434 2,160
Alberta/Northwest Territories 116 1,489
Saskatchewan 19 619
Manitoba/Nunavut 9 645
Ontario 235 4,712
Quebec 73 2,566
New Brunswick 0 346
Nova Scotia 0 569
Newfoundland and Labrador 0 133
Prince Edward Island 0 56
Total 886 13,295
Source: Minister of Public Safety.( )
Just received a response from my MP in regards to this...
I wrote...
"I've spoken to Minister Day's office.
They advise that they are well aware of the issue and are reviewing it. Having said that, the legislation is the law of the country at this time.
We'll just have to wait and see where it goes from here. I have passed on your concerns to the Minister".
I wrote...
"I've spoken to Minister Day's office.
They advise that they are well aware of the issue and are reviewing it. Having said that, the legislation is the law of the country at this time.
We'll just have to wait and see where it goes from here. I have passed on your concerns to the Minister".
What legislation would he be referring to that says semi-automatics are not accepted and revolvers are? I doubt any such legislation exists and it is most likely just the 'opinion' of the RCMP. CC can you clarify this? It looks like your MP isn't fully aware of the details of the problem?
Cheers
