Noveske Gen2 Light Carbine 14.5 w/VIS & Switchblock... (Pictures Inside)

50calshooter said:
Thanks man, I appreciate all the kind words from you guys!


Here's a question...

So the gas system on this rig is mid-length, I believe my MRP was mid-length aswell. Can someone tell me about this gas system? It seems like most of the top manufacturers choose mid-length now? I heard that mid-length is alittle less strenuous on the rifle, as apposed to the short carbine length, is there some truth to that? Any arguments in reliability?
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On a 14"+ length barrel, it doesn't make much sense to choose a carbine length gas (anymore).

A midlength gas systems gives you:
Milder/lengthened recoil impulse (carbine has a 'sharper' recoil)
Reduced carrier speed (and by consequence, reduced cyclic rate)
Reduced parts wear (due to above two)

In midlength systems, you can (rarely) experience issues where softer ammunition may not cycle properly/lock back on empty.
A good example would be the early Knight's Armament SR-15 rifles; The gas port was sized to run M855. People shooting softer ammo (Wolf, PMC, reloads, etc.) could find the gun short stroking (and people complained about why, when shooting lower-than-M855 powered loads the gun was having issues...).
For the record, both SR-15's I had/have cycled everything I could find/dig up (SR-15 + Triple Tap = Ridiculously soft shooting).

The only legitimate (IMO) complaint I can find about midlength gas systems is that you can only go so short on the barrel. :wave:
 
TSE_Justin said:
On a 14"+ length barrel, it doesn't make much sense to choose a carbine length gas (anymore).

A midlength gas systems gives you:
Milder/lengthened recoil impulse (carbine has a 'sharper' recoil)
Reduced carrier speed (and by consequence, reduced cyclic rate)
Reduced parts wear (due to above two)

In midlength systems, you can (rarely) experience issues where softer ammunition may not cycle properly/lock back on empty.
A good example would be the early Knight's Armament SR-15 rifles; The gas port was sized to run M855. People shooting softer ammo (Wolf, PMC, reloads, etc.) could find the gun short stroking (and people complained about why, when shooting lower-than-M855 powered loads the gun was having issues...).
For the record, both SR-15's I had/have cycled everything I could find/dig up (SR-15 + Triple Tap = Ridiculously soft shooting).

The only legitimate (IMO) complaint I can find about midlength gas systems is that you can only go so short on the barrel. :wave:
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This is a great post IMO (although others may chime in with more intelligence ;) ), thanks.

Regarding "shortness", I would add that the shorter skeleton of the carbine assists in the weight/balance department. For those of us who like light toys, that is an advantage.

I didn't mention earlier my only reservation to 50calshooter's new addition i.e. "why not a midlength?", but hey, why display my jealousy?
 
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Originally Posted by Suputin
Sell me the SB. At least I can use it for its intended purpose.
That is unfair!
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Not really when you consider the time and money I have invested over the years. It is frightening to see my corporate tax statement and the gross total for each year. :( I coulda bought some nice stuff for that amount of coin.


On a 14"+ length barrel, it doesn't make much sense to choose a carbine length gas (anymore).
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I think the 14's can go both ways ...

However the 16's and longer def work better with the midlength gas system. But who cares when the shorties are so much fun to shoot.
 
Just for the sake of interest, I noted recently that the relatively obscure amateurs Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers, who between them have a very small amount of shooting experience, both said if they could have one rifle, it would be a 14.5", with a standard carbine FSB, and a carbine length gas system, which they both consider more reliable than a middy.

Granted, neither of them know all that much about guns, but still...interesting commentary. I believe I did once see a picture of the Vickers guy standing near some guns. He may have some insight. Hackathorn, I think, is primarily a paintballer with some airsoft glocks.

Anyway, I don't know enough to tell anybody different and 16" middies are the current trend and I do like the way they shoot. But I thought it was interesting that Hack'n'Vick both prefer the carbine length system.
 
I don't know what you guys are talking about, 'carbine length' and 'mid-length' gas systems?? I thought these guns ran on gun powder, not gas.

Oh, why such a long barrel? I heard the shorter barrels are more accurate.
 
TSE_Justin said:
On a 14"+ length barrel, it doesn't make much sense to choose a carbine length gas (anymore).

A midlength gas systems gives you:
Milder/lengthened recoil impulse (carbine has a 'sharper' recoil)
Reduced carrier speed (and by consequence, reduced cyclic rate)
Reduced parts wear (due to above two)

In midlength systems, you can (rarely) experience issues where softer ammunition may not cycle properly/lock back on empty.
A good example would be the early Knight's Armament SR-15 rifles; The gas port was sized to run M855. People shooting softer ammo (Wolf, PMC, reloads, etc.) could find the gun short stroking (and people complained about why, when shooting lower-than-M855 powered loads the gun was having issues...).
For the record, both SR-15's I had/have cycled everything I could find/dig up (SR-15 + Triple Tap = Ridiculously soft shooting).

The only legitimate (IMO) complaint I can find about midlength gas systems is that you can only go so short on the barrel. :wave:
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Thanks for your insight Justin, I appreciate it.

Suputin said:
Not really when you consider the time and money I have invested over the years. It is frightening to see my corporate tax statement and the gross total for each year. :( I coulda bought some nice stuff for that amount of coin.




I think the 14's can go both ways ...

However the 16's and longer def work better with the midlength gas system. But who cares when the shorties are so much fun to shoot.
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Yeah you corporate guys sure pay a #### ton of money to play with the cool stuff, it's definitly no trade off, but please if you're around my way could you please bring an AAC can, I'd gladly let you try it out on this rig... ;)


misanthropist said:
Just for the sake of interest, I noted recently that the relatively obscure amateurs Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers, who between them have a very small amount of shooting experience, both said if they could have one rifle, it would be a 14.5", with a standard carbine FSB, and a carbine length gas system, which they both consider more reliable than a middy.

Granted, neither of them know all that much about guns, but still...interesting commentary. I believe I did once see a picture of the Vickers guy standing near some guns. He may have some insight. Hackathorn, I think, is primarily a paintballer with some airsoft glocks.

Anyway, I don't know enough to tell anybody different and 16" middies are the current trend and I do like the way they shoot. But I thought it was interesting that Hack'n'Vick both prefer the carbine length system.
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Was this an article or vid? Could you link it?
 
Suputin said:
I think the 14's can go both ways ...
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~14.5" is about as short as most midlength systems will run well with.

But if you're going carbine length... like you said, shorty's are fun.

misanthropist said:
Just for the sake of interest, I noted recently that the relatively obscure amateurs Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers, who between them have a very small amount of shooting experience, both said if they could have one rifle, it would be a 14.5", with a standard carbine FSB, and a carbine length gas system, which they both consider more reliable than a middy.
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And then there's guys like Chris Costa, Travis Haley, Pat Rogers etc. who are big proponents of midlength systems.

Don't get me wrong, there ARE advantages in a carbine length gas system; They are less ammo and fouling sensitive (to what extent is debatable).
But shorter gas systems come with their own disadvantages in that it accelerates parts wear. Greater shorter term reliability for reduced long term durability.

A very good example of this are the NSWC Mk18/CQBR rifles with 10"/10.3"/10.5" barrels and larger gas ports. Look at the parts replacement schedules vs. M4's or C8's. It is much harder on the extractor, extractor springs, gas rings, gas ports (erosion), among others.


wicked_police said:
I thought these guns ran on gun powder, not gas.
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And here I was told my guns ran on dreams and wishes, lubed with hope.
 
50calshooter said:
Thanks for your insight Justin, I appreciate it.



Yeah you corporate guys sure pay a f**k ton of money to play with the cool stuff, it's definitly no trade off, but please if you're around my way could you please bring an AAC can, I'd gladly let you try it out on this rig... ;)




Was this an article or vid? Could you link it?
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It was two separate events...the Vickers one was in an article somewhere but I don't recall where. The Hackathorn one was just something he said.
 
Very nice rifle. I like it. If I didn't already have an Alberta Tactical lower on my 10.5 Noveske upper I would be getting one of those Gen2 lowers. They are sweet.
 
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