Noveske Versus Knight's

martiy said:
Knights KAC SR-15E3 14.5" SBR or Noveske - 14.5' Afghan 5.56 Rifle,VLTOR VIS, 14.5

Which would you pick and why?
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For range use in Canada, I'd buy the Noveske. Its a little heavier, but is more accurate. Also, I would not buy the VIS. I've had several, and they are too chunky. Get the SWS rail. It's a thinner profile and looks better IMHO.

If I had to carry one overseas, day after day, I'd buy the KAC, just for the weight difference. If I was going to put anything more than a 4 x on it, I'd go back to the Noveske.
 
blaxsun said:
That's a very valid point. If you're going to spend the money on a KAC - might as well fork out a bit more for an HK. Otherwise I'd get the Noveske.
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Problem is...The HK is a lot more expensive, isnt it?

So the BCG in the KAC is not simply interchangeable with others?
 
#### Proenneke said:
For range use in Canada, I'd buy the Noveske. Its a little heavier, but is more accurate. Also, I would not buy the VIS. I've had several, and they are too chunky. Get the SWS rail. It's a thinner profile and looks better IMHO.

If I had to carry one overseas, day after day, I'd buy the KAC, just for the weight difference. If I was going to put anything more than a 4 x on it, I'd go back to the Noveske.
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Is this also true for shorter than 14" barrel lengths?
I might as well buy the shortest rifle that works well since we're not limited to 16" barrels in Canada for your AR15s.
(I already have a standard 20" AR15 rifle and a match 20" AR15 rifle).

Alex
 
Noveske claims MOA for their 10.5" SS barrel. I had one a while back, but I did not test it. I would say that my old 12.5" crusader would hold MOA, when magnified. Of course quality ammo has to be used.
 
The KAC will come so close to that as to be almost the same. At least my 11.5" will anyway. Sub 1 1/2 inch 5 shot groups at 100 with a 4 MOA T1 micro. How much could that improve with a magnifying optic? Basically the same in my books.
 
martiy said:
Problem is...The HK is a lot more expensive, isnt it?

So the BCG in the KAC is not simply interchangeable with others?
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Bolt Carrier, yes. Interchangable.

Bolt, no.

Bolt has rounded E3 lugs to match the barrel extention. But you can buy replacement parts kits and bolts from KAC so just stock up on spares.
 
I vote Norinco CQB with 8,000 rounds of AE Bulk.

You will be really popular with the survivalist/zombiepreparedness/shtf people on here.


Pros:
- Light weight
- The finest craftsmanship child labor can buy
- Taper pins are bullet proof
- Develop leet skills and maximum weapon proficiency with 8000 rounds
- Maximum annihilating power

Cons:
- Not as pretty as either option A or B
- No fancy bolt/trigger/alloys or dimples
- Look like some uncouth noob when doing mag dumps in front of mirror
- Can't impress fellow noobs (rocking SKS) on the firing line
 
Which one would I pick so it can sit in my safe and go to the range twice a year?

I suppose I'd pick the "prettier one" :p
 
It actually a red apple to green apple comparision . Reason being is the SR15 is has "hard use" hammer forged barrel ( made by Diemaco / Colt Canada ) chrome lined

The Noveske Afgan has the Pac Nor blank button rifled at Pac Nor with Noveske proprietry tooling . Barrel is hand lapped

As already mentioned these stainless barrels are stupidly accurate . I have used the SPR lengths in both 5.56 and 6.8 SPC , 10.5s ( who ever says 10.5s can't be accurate is full of crap ! ) , and 14.5 length. All are great shooters

The better comparision to a SR15 is the Noveske N4 ( blank made from M249 machine gun barrle by FN ) that has chrome lining twice as thick as standard M4

I did a comparision a while back and here are some pics ( both are 16" but you get the idea ). The uppers were about the same price range

As you can see the bolt ( radiused lugs setc ) , camp pin ( smaller dia ) have been redesigned to minimize stress risers. It is readily apparent that there is more meat around the cam pin hole in the E3 bolt. Notice goofy firing pin to fit in smaller cam pin

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Both uppers were of similar accuracy .

Having said that, in my experience, neither shoots match ammos such as 75Gr A-Max , 77 SMK , 69 SMK as well as the stainless Noveske barrels

No one buys these uppers to shoot tiny holes on a bench

Both these hammer forged barrels have freaky light proflile compared to the Noveske stainless profiles

Bottom line , I highly doubt you will shoot out the Afgan barrel any time soon, but if you think you are want to put 20K rounds through a barrel before you replace it then your choice is the KAC SR15 or Noveske N4

I don't "need" a hard use upper like the SR15 / N4 . If I where to have only one upper in 5.56 I would prefer Noveske Stainless barrel

BTW - a USGI bolt will function ( and headspace properly ) in place of KAC E3 bolt "for emergency purposes" according to KAC
 
Thanks for the review, I own a Noveske upper is 10.5 and a Kac lower, will be ordering a 14.5 upper by KAC in the next few months. Both are awesome companies, although I prefer KAC especially considering all there other products they make as well.
 
I like KAC, I just don't like the price or the markings very much. The main advantage with the Noveske are the barrels and they are expensive rifles as well.

My two choices have been:

1) LMT mrp export compliant model (Yes the stock works properly). They are just under $1800 new. I managed to find a 1:8 twist SS barrel for it. The barrels for the mrp are Mike rock by the way. Total price well under the price of the Noveske or the KAC. With LE discount and barely used EE bought barrel it was under 2K before taxes (taxes only on the rifle). The CL 16" barrel without flash hider (may add one later) is also a Mike Rock barrel and looks identical to the 556 one except for the flash hider. The 223 writing is on the bottom of the barrel which is hidden by the monolithic upper.

2) I have an ADCOR Elite upper on order. It also has the FN249 barrel (elite version), along with some other very nice features. I've ordered an ambi lower (not KAC). I will wait to say what it is after I get it, since I'm on a wait list with one of those "6 weeks" deals which we know often means a lot longer.

The KAC rifles are nice. Don't get me wrong. I just find that it's always a trade off. There is no "Perfect" AR rifle. I think for an all around the ADCOR upper with the ambi lower will be it. Even then the LMT mrp with the barrel change is pretty cool. Changing it up to a SS barrel is nice. This pretty much gives it all the advantages of the Noveske while adding some more.

So would I get a Noveske or a KAC? Depends. If a smoking deal came along then absolutely. The bottom line is all the rifles at this level are pretty cool so ultimately you can't go wrong. But right now there are also other options out there. Some may be better for your needs. Lots of choices out there. It's a great time to be into AR rifles. :D
 
TRG-42 said:
BTW - a USGI bolt will function ( and headspace properly ) in place of KAC E3 bolt "for emergency purposes" according to KAC
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Reeeeeaaaaally. If that is true, sweet! I.wonder how the USGI bolt locks up to the E3 barrel extension? Also, what adverse affects that pairing would create on the.bolt and on the KAC rifle itself?
 
Recce21 said:
Reeeeeaaaaally. If that is true, sweet! I.wonder how the USGI bolt locks up to the E3 barrel extension? Also, what adverse affects that pairing would create on the.bolt and on the KAC rifle itself?
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I would not recommend this.
Although LMT "enhanced" bolt and the KAC bolt are similar I would not switch them up.
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If looking for a replacement bolt for a regular ar barrel go with the LMT version.
 
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