NR pcc
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AlphaCharlieDelta
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No, all Kriss vectors. They are awkward weight distribution wise in restricted and ridiculously front heavy in the NR, and the recoil system in the doesn't work well in the semi auto platform. It was meant for full fun mode Brrrrttttttt
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ACD
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ACD
Agreed the NR is rediculous.
But the R is at most a half pound overweight, and ergonomics are excellent. Awkward if held incorrectly, intuitive if held correctly.
The brrrr full auto thing is internet meme - muzzle rise mitigation is what it is, with benefit proportional to fire rate.
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Haven't messed around with a lot of them. Didn't feel that the Keltech was going to be gun that would age extremely well in the wear and tear dept. The TNW Aero is a svelte little firearm, but disassembly/re-assembly isn't very slick if you want to use the take down to transport it. Operation isn't particularly user friendly either.
The Ruger take down is really quick and easy. Repeatable and well designed. Isn't going to get loose and sloppy with wear. Can be done in about 3 seconds. A nice peep rear sight, although not the the most convenient to adjust. Really well built, although I maybe a guy should upgrade a couple small pieces? Wouldn't have thought about it if a fella didn't bring it up. It does have a target trigger, which is a big plus. I suspect it's probably way more accurate than most of them. Just very easy and fun to shoot. Easy to modify CZ magazines and use those with the Ruger magwell, if you shoot one of those, or a clone. Not crazy about the regular black stocks looks, but easy to paint, and readily accepts a weapon light or laser up front.
The Ruger take down is really quick and easy. Repeatable and well designed. Isn't going to get loose and sloppy with wear. Can be done in about 3 seconds. A nice peep rear sight, although not the the most convenient to adjust. Really well built, although I maybe a guy should upgrade a couple small pieces? Wouldn't have thought about it if a fella didn't bring it up. It does have a target trigger, which is a big plus. I suspect it's probably way more accurate than most of them. Just very easy and fun to shoot. Easy to modify CZ magazines and use those with the Ruger magwell, if you shoot one of those, or a clone. Not crazy about the regular black stocks looks, but easy to paint, and readily accepts a weapon light or laser up front.
AlphaCharlieDelta
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Perhaps for a range toy...But I haven't seen anyone running one in competition in any configuration. It's just not that great of a PCC in my opinion. There are definitely better options out there. If you like it, great... A lot of folks don't tho.
ACD
I think my biggest issue with the KV is the price point - value proposition. It is overpriced for what you are getting and even so, there is not enough distinctives in my view to justify the price.
I did take that elephant trunk shroud off when I had mine and the barrel underneath is this little pencil thin thing. Aesthetically, not the most appealing.
I'd say "mostly" yes. The NR version makes the least amount of sense. The overall platform is interesting in that it is different from our alternatives. Better in any way? Hmmmm... As Gazelle points out, it comes down to personal taste if you think it's "interesting enough" to be worth the premium.
And as ACD says, they're not popular with gun gamers (both R and NR), and that tells you something. It doesn't tell you everything of course, but it's clearly something.
Yes popularity does say something, as ACD mentioned there are superior options for competition. But I suspect this mostly comes down to availability rather than shootability (out of the box). As we know, from a competitor perspective, upgrades and precise personalisation are necessary long term - so standardised platforms with (AR part compatibility) prevail, while the proprietary Vector platform is the opposite. And the "Restricted" implications are another hassle compared to more readily available and accessible "Non-Restricted" alternatives, again impacting popularity. So if looking to make the ultimate competition PCC tailored to ourself, it's probably wiser to pick something else.
But with all that said, our Canadian market is niche, and the Vector stands out as one of the "oldest" (10+ years) and most widely adopted (worldwide) platforms still available to us - and that level of usage (on OEM parts in OEM configuration) is noteworthy. Price and quality fits between the copes and the B&Ts, and if someone wants to run their PCC OEM stock the SBR Vector is an excellent option for the price point (and avoids the temptation to double down on upgrades). The multi-calibre platform, muzzle rise mitigation tech, and barrel-in-line trigger remain unique and worthy of merit, and fans rate the ergonomics on the manual of arms as nearing design perfection (when held correctly).
But none of that praise means much to the Non-Restricted, which has flaws due to barrel length, then weight distribution as a result - it's near impossible to handle as it was designed. Because this nerfed experience is most people's only experience of the platform, criticism rightly follows. Imo the NR is useful as a spare lower, but that's probably all.
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FX9 is the way to go, just picked up mine a few weeks ago. Look nice amount all 9mm PCC, take AR parts where easy to mod, and price is not very crazy compared to B&T STUFF
But miserable to disassemble and clean.
Also, outside of the normal parts (Stock, grip, handguard if you shorten it), AR part compatibility is pretty meh? Safety is compatible, apparently most triggers are not but a couple are, and that's about it, no? Bolt is completely different, charging handle is different, no bolt hold open so no bolt release/BAD compatibility, etc.
The best part about the JR is the reliability. It runs and eats all things. Mine was very accurate. The recoil impulse is hard and heavy. Think, birthday beats from a 10 year old that takes karate.
After maybe 5k rounds I tried to take the barrel off my take down stainless model and the bolt had peened the chamber face and the barrel was basically stuck in the aluminum upper. It was not easy to get out without damage.
Some other PCCs have much beefier chamber walls to prevent this...
After maybe 5k rounds I tried to take the barrel off my take down stainless model and the bolt had peened the chamber face and the barrel was basically stuck in the aluminum upper. It was not easy to get out without damage.
Some other PCCs have much beefier chamber walls to prevent this...
Oh wow, really? That stinks. Never heard of that problem before, but I can see how it could happen, especially if something is out of balance. Think it's a design flaw, or just your rifle?
Did yours cycle well with HP and/or SWC bullets?
