Number of Canadian C1 Rifles produced

shortandlong said:
sorry your logic is flawed it doesn't take much to make anything full auto. The IRA has been doing it for years. its easy to jump on the BAN WAGON! with that logic we should ban metal!
A FULL AUTO firearm is the Simplest thing to make from scratch ..some would argue easyer than an single shot.
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i dont want to hijack this thread about whether a full auto firearm is the simplest thing to make, agreed in a pistol ammo but we are talking about a 7.62mm nato.

in anycase, let me clarify..... there is a couple of "tricks" to making a C1 from semi to a full auto without using any tools , it can be done in a matter of minutes, thats the reason why it is prohib.:mad:
 
sorry dude your right about the your first part but I don't agree with the second,
alot of autos are very easy to convert (I know all about the matchstick trick) heck i am starting a new thread see ya there :)
 
Slightly off topic here but, I can remember in around 1988-89 at CFB Petawawa, our unit spent weeks cleaning 9mm SMGs. They were then inspected by NCOs and army weapontechs then dipped each one, into a large vat of preservative grease and wrapped in greasepaper.

Then shipped off to some secure location for storage.
Who knows what happened to them afterwards, probably destroyed....
 
Guys this is a lot of talk and no action, we need pictures:D .

Marks 36, should you decide to sell the Sten or are looking for anything to trade for, give me a call/PM/email/fax/telegram/smoke signal/Vulcan mind meld, anything, I'm in the buying mood:) .
 
koldt said:
Guys this is a lot of talk and no action, we need pictures:D .

Marks 36, should you decide to sell the Sten or are looking for anything to trade for, give me a call/PM/email/fax/telegram/smoke signal/Vulcan mind meld, anything, I'm in the buying mood:) .
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Do dewat LB Stens count? 0L's can be found in dewat form...I know they're less fun but at least they still exist in some form.
 
curtton said:
in anycase, let me clarify..... there is a couple of "tricks" to making a C1 from semi to a full auto without using any tools , it can be done in a matter of minutes, thats the reason why it is prohib.:mad:
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The matchstick trick was well known back in the late 70's.

However that is not the reason it was prohibited.

You are assuming there is some sort of logic behind politicians "thoughts" when drafting a "law".
 
koldt said:
Guys this is a lot of talk and no action, we need pictures:D .
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I have only one picture of a C1 (C1A1 in this case, I believe).

Of course it's got WOOD furniture... not plastic.

It is typical of Canada to destroy such finely made firearms (well IMHO anyway!!!) instead of selling them to collectors and putting money back into the treasury.

Sigh.

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cantom said:
Do dewat LB Stens count? 0L's can be found in dewat form...I know they're less fun but at least they still exist in some form.
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I think I have just about everyone trumped when it comes to low, low 0L serials. It's a dewat, unfortunately, but I have LB sten serial number 0L18.

Still hoping to find a single digit one yet.
 
freddo said:
The matchstick trick was well known back in the late 70's.

However that is not the reason it was prohibited.

You are assuming there is some sort of logic behind politicians "thoughts" when drafting a "law".
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yes, matchstick/cardboard is one trick but one can change into full auto without paper or wood (nothing) , it can changed in less than a minute.

i would clarify myself that the ease of changing to a full auto was ONE of the reason it was prohib.
 
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FN semi/full auto

I test-fired one of the "matchstick" mods on the Sarcee ranges back in the early '70s.The piece really was'nt controllable in full auto.I always liked the C1,but was'nt too fussy about it's evil twin,the C2-a real comedown from the BREN I thought.The last time I fired the C2 was in Wainwright using tracers to designate targets for CF5 Tinkertoys on a FAC course.It was a fun-filled morning.Last time I saw BRENs in use was in Lebanon 20 yrs ago.The Nepalese Contingent had them,but can't recall if they were original .303 or converted to 7.62.
 
M14 full auto

Yes,it's very entertaining-lots of sound and fury,but how effective was it in terms of rds fired and hits achieved? The US Army quickly determined that this was a non-starter and decided against installing the full auto selector on the M14. Even the M14 with heavier stock and bipod installed made a miserable LMG. A full auto fired from the shoulder or hip needs a low intensity/low recoil round to deliver effective fire on target.The Sterling SMG was good for this as was the Thompson-a combination of low recoil and a fairly heavy piece to allow you to stabilize it.Even with these,or the C7 on full auto,you need to fire in short bursts of 4/5 rds to be effective.Beyond that,a full auto needs to fire from an open bolt and have a fairly heavy barrel,or a quick change barrel, to avoid over-heating.I learned to shoot the SMG with the butt on the belt buckle.You could get good alignment on the target that way and correct by walking your rounds onto the target.The FNC1 was just too light and the 7.62 too heavy in recoil for this to be effective.I would'nt put too much stock in what appears on Yoo-tube.Somebody showed a clip the other day of some doofus firing a 12 ga shotgun with the buttplate against his right testicle,or was it the left one?
 
So true what Purple says, seems I remember though the Royal Canadian Navy back in the day, actually had on it's ships, FNC1s, in select fire option. Anyone remember this or am I :onCrack: ?

Slightly off topic here but fellas, it you can do so, and own an M1 rifle, Reese Surplus in the USA, has sold in the past, BM-59 muzzlebrake/tri-compensators, modified to fit M1 Garand rifles!
Cuts down recoil to that of a .223 in my opinion.
This is the ultimate best brake, I have one and really like it.....One must use blue locktite though, for it tends to easily vibrate loose, for some unknown reason :cool: :cool:

Last time I checked, it was the same price as the Smith Enterprizes muzzle brake....
 
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stencollector said:
That was the C1A1D. It went to the Navy only.
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heres a pic of the earlier model, the letter "A" on the butt indicates its a C1D, capable of firing full auto .

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pic from kevin adams library.
 
curtton said:
heres a pic of the earlier model, the letter "A" on the butt indicates its a C1D, capable of firing full auto .

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pic from kevin adams library.
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Got a pic of the other side of it? Nice rifle...drool...:(

Did the navy get rid of theirs too?
 
Did the navy get rid of theirs too?
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Yep, all gone. The navy got stuck with the C7 & C8 family for a while until they procured the MP5 for boarding party purposes.

There is (either going to be or underway) a project to replace the C7/C8 family with a Personal Defense Weapon, for use of the non-frontline soldiors (mechanics, truckers....) There is no decision yet whether it will be more MP5, SMG size AR type SMG, or something completely different.
 
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