NWMP Snider Carbine Survey

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I am currently in the process of researching Snider Cavalry Carbines, issued to the NWMP. I am reaching out to the CGN community for a little assistance.

It is well documented that the force was equipped with 352 Snider Short Rifles and Carbines, all of which were drawn from Canadian Military stores between 1873 and 1876. The Canadian government's supply of Snider Carbines had come from an order of 2500, which were delivered in 1871 and 1872. These Carbines were used by the NWMP until the mid 1880s, when they were replaced by the Winchester Carbine. No records can be located as to what happened to these 352 Sniders, but the Canadian military continued to use Sniders, possibly as late as 1905.

No single record of serial numbers of Snider Carbines used by the NWMP has been found. However, in their research for the book "Arms and Accoutrements of the Mounted Police", Don Klancher and Roger Phillips located 116 serial numbers of Snider Carbines used by the force, from various sources. These serial numbers are the sole method currently available to identify these force-owned guns, as it appears the force did not apply any distinct markings of their own. This leaves approximately 2/3's of the Carbines possessed by the force unaccounted for - I am looking to fill this gap by documenting commonalities in markings and other potentially distinguishing characteristics.

I am subsequently seeking anyone who might possess or know of the location of a NWMP Snider Carbine (or short rifle), either with known NWMP providence, or one with a serial number from Arms and Accoutrements. This includes museums and private collections (other than the RCMP museum in Regina). If anyone with information could either contact me publicly on this thread, or privately (discretion assured) via PM, it would be most appreciated!

I have corresponded with one CGN'r already, thanks very much to that member!
 
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How about contacting Parks Canada? The sites relating to the NWMP forts could lead to people in the know. Batoche, Fort Carlton, Fort Battleford, Fort Pitt, Fort Walsh, and Fort Whoop-Up off the top of my head. In fact, I know the lady in charge of Fort Battleford. I can reach out to her and see who she knows. There was a fellow out of Winnipeg that was the military historian for Parks Canada - I don’t know if he’s still there, retired, or otherwise.
 
The Fort Whoop Up society had quite an extensive firearms collection before they parted ways with the city of Lethbridge. I believe they still possess it but I'm not certain how things shook out. Worth asking them.

GrantR here is also very knowledgeable about historical arms of early Canada.
 
Thanks Lads - Both are good leads. I was at Fort Walsh a few years ago, I did notice a number of Snider Carbines. Not sure if any of them are actual mounted police carbines, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to inquire. I'll give that a shot - SKJ, if you do know the Lady looking after Ft Battleford, I'd certainly appreciate the contact info!

Thanks!
 
Contact Don Klancher directly I have one as well but could never lock it down as a for sure NWMP
 
You might check with Fort Steele. Another somewhat remote lead might be the Canadian Penitentiary Service. They got obsolete military hand me downs and that may have included Sniders at some time. For sure BC Penitentiary still had a few Ross's in the armoury right up until it closed in the 1970's at a time when our military had FN's.
 
I've heard reliable stories that Parks Canada has a huge store of historical firearms in Winnipeg (one fellow described it as "heaven"). They did an inventory a few years back, definitely worth asking.
 
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