O/U opinion

I see Charles Daly, 12ga x 3"/30", Engraved Receiver O/U w/Fixed Full - G+ $795.00
on Goble's site, fact that they made in Turkey (as per Wiki) kind of turned me away
 
I guess no one ever owned a Condor. I've had Franchi, Brownings and Win. 101s. All great guns. What do I use for my O/U now? 26" Condor. Mech. triggers, chokes, allways a second shot. dead reliable and very easy to hit with. If it falls outa the truck, no worries. It won't look super cool on the trap range but its perfect for what I use my feild guns for. I've got pumps too they never see the light of day. If you want fancy get a Browning, the you want a working gun the Condor is great.
 
I had a lightweight Franchi 20 O/U. It was super nice handleing and worked great. Never had any kind of problem with it and would recommend it to anyone. I find a plain old 12 ga. is just fine for everything. Cheap and possibly easier to find if in an outa the way place. by the way, my brothers Condor has about a million rounds through it, still locks up the day it was new. Never babied even a little.
 
I see Charles Daly, 12ga x 3"/30", Engraved Receiver O/U w/Fixed Full - G+ $795.00
on Goble's site, fact that they made in Turkey (as per Wiki) kind of turned me away

Don't worry about that (but $800 is high if it's used). The Turks have been making quality shotguns for a while.;) A 12 ga. with 2 3/4 or preferred but not a deal breaker 3" chambers is the way to go. Make sure the gun fits & naturally points well. Again I wouldn't get to worked up on combination shotguns, as that wasn't in your original post. If you can get past the new shinnies you can buy an older quality gun at a good price. Many have been mentioned. Miroku is another quality builder out of Japan, who built guns for Daly, Browning, themselves & alike... I think CIL & Stoger also imported them.
 
Save a few hundred more & find a Browning Citori field model in good condition, with fixed chokes & have them both opened to modified. You can probably find this shotgun starting at about $500 & up. I would probably go with longer Barrels, but normally they can be found with 26", 28" or 30" barrels. Whatever you can get a good swing with...
This shotgun with proper care should hold it's value reasonably well & be easy to sell if you want to upgrade someday...

:agree:, a used Citori is better than a new cheap gun. The cheaper ones are servicable but the Citori has a proven track record and they come up often on the EE. It may be used but likely last a lot longer than the others you're considering.
 
Whenever you close the gun, the two firing pins sets themselves in firing position and the triggers activates the lower one. When you shoot the first pin, the recoil sets the second pin to be fired. If that would fail to hapen for some reasons, you can flip the safety on on and off to have the selector put itself on the other canon. That way you can go from top to lower canon as if you had a manual selector.

To answer the
"If the second shot does not fire, you simply have to move the selector between shots?"
I'd say that if your second shot did not went boom, you're due to crack open the thing and load it with 2 new shells as you would with any other SxS or O/U.

I'd prefer to have a manual selector but heck, for 1/2 de price of the next cheapest o/u I can live without it :)

Why is everybody commenting about it's quality? Did I miss a known recuring problem with this gun or you guys just think that it can't be of good quality because of the low price?
Many of the brnos have a selector on the trigger, much like the Valmet, Tikka, and many of the Italian guns.
You simply slide the selector to either side to select the upper or lower barrel.
These are generally good quality guns BTW, and are often offered in combination form, 308/12, etc...
Cat
 
Whenever you close the gun, the two firing pins sets themselves in firing position and the triggers activates the lower one. When you shoot the first pin, the recoil sets the second pin to be fired. If that would fail to hapen for some reasons, you can flip the safety on on and off to have the selector put itself on the other canon.

If that should not happen as you say, the inertia block is not working correctly. You should not have to do anytrhing with the on off button between shots. This is a typical failure of cheap guns like the condor but many do not recognize it as a problem.

I prefer doubles with properly functioning inertia block, properly working mechanical triggers or two triggers.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not praising or berating the Brno, as I don't have any experience with it. Only at resale can say that it would be a tougher sale to anyone in the market for an o/u than as compared to the commonly known Citori. As for the Condor's, I haven't heard to many actual shooting owners praise them and no where would I endorse them.
Everybody's hooked on screw in chokes & pay the extra dollar on entry level O/U's to have this feature. This leaves some older quality o/u's from some 30 years back ripe for the picking. Why would I spend around $600 for a new condor when I could get an older Citori for the same price?

Simply put, any brno is of better quality and better mechanicly than any new condor. As far as your remarks about older o/u's like the citori you are bang on. I would pay a lot more than $600.00 for a citori instead of buying a condor for any price.
 
I see Charles Daly, 12ga x 3"/30", Engraved Receiver O/U w/Fixed Full - G+ $795.00
on Goble's site, fact that they made in Turkey (as per Wiki) kind of turned me away

That must be present day Chares Daly. The older ones were quality guns.
 
That's about $6000.00 per year for the last 20 years. I guess when one buys a condor, one can afford to shoot more:D
 
Shoot what you like, I've had and have expensive guns. My Grouse gun is a Condor. If you don't like them fine. I'm not allowed to say anything but warm and fuzzy stuff, the mods are waiting for me to say anything they don't like, so thanks for being so witty and the math lesson.
 
I have an older Ithaca SKB 500 o/u,my first owned o/u,and it's a pleasure to shoot.
Shoulders and points really well and has single select trigger.
I could do without all the fancy engraving but the price was good and the quality is there.
They are in your ballpark for the figure you posted and I agree with what Mount Sweetness said,older quality is a better choice than new middle of the road.
 
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