Odd enfield

Here are the photos of the rifle WR1894 is talking about:

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I have absolutely no idea why they milled about 1/4" off the top of the rear sight ears. I could easily see any of us walking past this rifle on a table at a gunshow and never noticing it amongst all the other bubba'd P14s and M17s. It's a shame, but at least if you are going to get a cut down P13 it might as well be by the factory. I have handled a near mint, original P13 as well. I have been trying hard to get it willed to me, but I think the current owner believes as soon as he did that I might "adjust" the brakes on his car. :)
 
Thanks for posting the pictures myenfield, I have the gun now and I guess I will keep until a better one comes along. In the 1984 Guns Diegest there is a article on the Enfields and there is mention were some were modifiled to a sporter style in the 30's for ammo testing on armor plate by military. Not sure how to find out if this gun was done by the goverment for this reason or if someone else did it. But if it was done for military use it should still have collector value not that it would be for sale as I do plan on shooting it
 
This has been sporterized by the British gun industry in 1923. It was quite common at the time and something we dread in modern times. It's a sporter and has no military significance. Calibre is obsolete these days; ammunition is unheard off and if found very expensive. It can be formed from brass and loaded however you need the experience or cash to do this. I'd do a chamber cast and slug the bore before any shooting activity was undertaken.

Is the barrel also marked with the Gunmakers identification? Also what is the barrel length? Bore condition?

Interest piece however not much more than a sporterized P14 or Model 1917.

Thanks for sharing this,

Ron
 
Butchered, Bubba'd, Sportered, whatever, it's still what's left of a P.-'13.

I, for one, would happily jump in the river and f*** FISH for a chance at it!

And half of the rest of you would be standing on the riverbank, egging me on!
 
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smellie said:
Butchered, Bubba'd, Sportered, whatever, it's still what's left of a P.-'13.

I, for one, would happily jump in the river and f*** FISH for a chance at it!

And half of the rest of you would be standing on the riverbank, egging me on!
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Go for it, George. But, I want a chance to sell the tickets to that event.

It is a piece of history. A proper BSA 1923 Sporting Rifle. Would these guys object to a Griffin and Howe 1903 rifle as a bubba job on a Springfield? How about a DWM 98 Mauser Sporter? Husqvarna used "military" actions for their fine sporting rifles.

I have a fine GECO 98 Mauser sporter, an African Model, with folding express sights, and another GECO Karibiner 98 converted to a sporter. Very nice handling rifles, both factory conversions, and a thousand miles apart from a Bubba job done in someone's basement.

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smellie said:
Butchered, Bubba'd, Sportered, whatever, it's still what's left of a P.-'13.

I, for one, would happily jump in the river and f*** FISH for a chance at it!

And half of the rest of you would be standing on the riverbank, egging me on!
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...throwin' eggs maybe...:p But that would definitely be entertaining...
 
We're getting this all organized now, you know.

Buffdog sells tickets, friend DeAnna has the popcorn concession, peterdragon2 will have the hot-dog stand and there will be lotsa eggs for cantom to throw and to sell.

If we were to make this an annual event, we could ALL get P.-'13s!!!!!

Betcha never thought of that!
 
Claven2 said:
czechitout = spencer = troll. The odds he had a real P13 and bubba'd it = zero.
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czechitout is pretty awesome, actually...:cool:...he entrusted 2 original Winchester 1897 shotguns to me (haven't sold either, per our deal! :p ), and I don't think he's the type to demolish historical value.....just take the humour in stride!....:D
 
Thanks for the help on this, I did get on round of ammo with it and I do believe that as long as the chamber is okay and not altered I should be able to make up some ammo with my 280 ross forming dies.
A couple of things in the article in the Guns Digest about the P 13 is that in the first war some of them were converted to 470 nitro to knock down sniper plates, I have read that before but they have no idea how many were done. The article also talks about in the first war some were converted to 303 for snipers.
The next remarks were that in between the wars that some were sporterized and used again for testing on armor plates again no number were given. I do not believe there was ever sporting ammo made in the caliber that I can find.
The last remark in the Gun Digest was that the P13 was still in stores at the on set of the second war and again more were converted to 303 for sniping.
One other comment in the article is that they split some barrels with hot loads in this caliber. So if some were converted for this and that and some destroyed from testing this may tell why there are only a few around
The guy that wrote the story has died so I can not find out were all his infromation came from but it would be nice to find out more
Again thanks
John
 
cyclone said:
czechitout is pretty awesome, actually...:cool:...he entrusted 2 original Winchester 1897 shotguns to me (haven't sold either, per our deal! :p ), and I don't think he's the type to demolish historical value.....just take the humour in stride!....:D
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Yes... awesome. If you want the "true" story of his "battle" with the RCMP over ########s and the repercussions to all the other makers, call the CFC and ask them about his court battle. Their story differs alarmingly from his.

He is no friend to gun owners or gunmakers as far as I am concerned and the rules around home-built guns have been tightened to an incredibly unrealistic standard thanks to this individual.

'nuff said.
 
The supine position was used in Match Rifle (1000-1200 yds) and provided long sight radius with less stress on the spine and neck in a long match (typically 15 or 20 shots). Some versions of it (as here) used a strap from the forend around the left leg tensioned by a bone ring held in the teeth. The supine position has become less popular in recent years as telescopic sights have displaced metallic ones. Bench rest was not done at all in England at this time
 
cyclone said:
czechitout is pretty awesome, actually...:cool:...he entrusted 2 original Winchester 1897 shotguns to me (haven't sold either, per our deal! :p ), and I don't think he's the type to demolish historical value.....just take the humour in stride!....:D
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Thank you cyclone.

Deep Joy :)
 
I recently came across this little bit of information:

"If you’re interested in building your own P-13 Modified, you can contact Dale at LITTLE CROW GUN WORKS, 6593 – 113th Ave., N.E. Suite “C”, Spicer, MN 56288, (320) 796-5030. For your forming and reloading dies, contact CH/4D TOOL & DIE, P.O. Box 889, Mt, Vernon, OH 43050, (740) 397-7214. The 8 X 68S Magnum brass came from HUNTINGTON’S RELOADING SUPPLIES, P.O. Box 991, Oroville, CA 95965, (866-735-6237 (you may be forced to substitute 6.5 X 68 as 8 X 68S may not always be available)."


Apparently the 8x68S Magnum and the 6.5x68 Magnum cases are very close to the dimensions of the ammunition you need to fire in the P-13 rifle.
 
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Seems all the miltary folks are coming back to one of these early tested medium bores for the new generation combat rifles, such as the 6.8 ,funny how history comes back around and bites you in the ass. just my 2 cents worth, and that is one if not the most significant rifle for any WWI or Lee/Enfield collector out there, I would not part with such a specimen as a chance to own this piece of history really only come around once! Dale in T-Bay
 
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