Off hand shooting accuracy

[Grizzlypeg]

Anyone in competition such as siloutte, that can say what typical to best off hand minute of angle shooting you can expect from the best competitors? I'd like to avoid focusing on events featuring significant advantage, such as shooters jackets, but what the heck, quote that if you know it.

Some reading I've done says the hi power shooters score 3.25 moa 10 rings at 200 yard, and biathalon is 8 moa disks.

 

[gunlaker]

Anyone in competition such as siloutte, that can say what typical to best off hand minute of angle shooting you can expect from the best competitors? I'd like to avoid focusing on events featuring significant advantage, such as shooters jackets, but what the heck, quote that if you know it.

Some reading I've done says the hi power shooters score 3.25 moa 10 rings at 200 yard, and biathalon is 8 moa disks.

You might also want to check out some scores in the sport of Schuetzen. Cast bullets generally shot offhand at 200m. I believe the top shooters are doing a bit better than the numbers you've listed.

They don't use shooting jackets, although hooked butt plates and palm rests are a definite advantage.

Chris.

 

[Obtunded]

In the US, they are big on a high-power sport called "Across The Course" which is shot with iron sights and in multiple positions, including standing off-hand, out to 600 yard distances.

Top shooters like David Tubb and Carl Bernosky ar capapble of sub MOA shooting. Bernosky set an amazing record (bearing in mind this is prone, kneeling and standing, but still...) of a perfect 800-42X so 42 out of 80 shots fell within a 1 minute target.

A piece of trivia... Tubb developed the 6XC cartridge for just such a sport and the "XC" is an acronym for "across the course".

 

[Grizzlypeg]

In the US, they are big on a high-power sport called "Across The Course" which is shot with iron sights and in multiple positions, including standing off-hand, out to 600 yard distances.

Top shooters like David Tubb and Carl Bernosky ar capapble of sub MOA shooting. Bernosky set an amazing record (bearing in mind this is prone, kneeling and standing, but still...) of a perfect 800-42X so 42 out of 80 shots fell within a 1 minute target.

A piece of trivia... Tubb developed the 6XC cartridge for just such a sport and the "XC" is an acronym for "across the course".

Any idea of what sort of scores for the off hand portion? 42 x rings and the rest were 10 ring? How big is the 10 ring, if I understand this correctly? It looks like the off hand portion is shot at 200 yards.

 

[Zokakoka]

I think they will be tighter groups than that. I can shoot a medium plate size group at 100m with my SKS standing and I'm a pretty decent shot, but it is after all an SKS and I'm not a competing professional. With a really accurate rifle and good optics, they are laser beams, and human error would be the only thing accounting for it. 3 MOA or less with 10-shot groups I would assume, but don't have sure answer.

 

[gunlaker]

I think they will be tighter groups than that. I can shoot a medium plate size group at 100m with my SKS standing and I'm a pretty decent shot, but it is after all an SKS and I'm not a competing professional. With a really accurate rifle and good optics, they are laser beams, and human error would be the only thing accounting for it. 3 MOA or less with 10-shot groups I would assume, but don't have sure answer.

To give you an idea of what the Schuetzen guys are doing here is some match info.

http://www.wyomingschuetzen.com/schedules/Hudson_Hayes_Rules_and_Procedures_4-26-05.pdf

Interesting stuff when you look at the target specs and the 100 shot match record of 2301 out of a possible 2500 using old style Schuetzen rifles at a distance of 40 rods (200m). That score would require an average of under 1.5 moa.

The WSU is also pretty limiting with respect to what sort of shooting equipment you can use. I imagine that state of the art with modern rifles and big scopes ought to be a bit better that this yet .

Chris.

 

[Mystic Precision]

for rimfire silhouette, the Turkey is usually the hardest target and it has a 3ish X 3ish inch hit zone. Shot at 77yds.

The chickens at 45yds are small and are about 1"X2" with some 'stuff' top and bottom to hit.

Top shooters are hitting 30 targets and up depending on how wonky the winds are.

Never shot Full bore but the targets are supposed to be near life size. The Rams are at 500m, Turkeys are 375m (?),

There was a time I could hit a clay pigeon at 100yds pretty much every time using a 22LR hunter class rig.

Top shooters would likely hold 2/3's better so that is like 2 to 3" at 100yds.

Jerry

 

[Obtunded]

Any idea of what sort of scores for the off hand portion? 42 x rings and the rest were 10 ring? How big is the 10 ring, if I understand this correctly? It looks like the off hand portion is shot at 200 yards.

The NRA High Power target has a 1MOA X-Ring and a 2MOA 10 ring.

I am not familiar with the COF and what positions are used at each distance. Needless to say, these guys are using slings, gloves, and all the other acouterments of a well-dressed HP shooter.

Me? The only way I can hit the broad side of a barn with a sub quarter minute rifle while shooting off hand, is to shoot from inside the barn. I am a terrible off-hand shooter. Those that can do it well are amazing in my eyes.

 

[kungfushurfu]

a few years back while I was at a tactical comp in Texas, David T. invited some fellows out to shoot with him on his ranch...before the day was done Dave was hitting an 18" x 24 " gong at 1650 yds OFFHAND... not every shot but enough to let you know it wasn't no accident

 

[fuzzynuts54]

That's truly some amazing shooting. Those that can really deserve an round of applause and some cold beer.

But now I have a question. Are you guys saying 7 of 8 shots landing in a moose's vitals shot at 968y with a .22 magnum lever action, standing offhand, from a rocking boat with a 2power scope is possible? Sorry. Couldn't resist. That's my new camp fire story.

 

[Mystic Precision]

a few years back while I was at a tactical comp in Texas, David T. invited some fellows out to shoot with him on his ranch...before the day was done Dave was hitting an 18" x 24 " gong at 1650 yds OFFHAND... not every shot but enough to let you know it wasn't no accident

That's in the 2 to 3 MOA accuracy which is pretty typical of top tier offhand shooters.

Jerry

 

[pjs]

Well the ram target at 500M (547 yards) is about 13" belly to back. That translates into about 2+ moa vertical. There is more room for horizontal error as the target is about 30" (give or take) from nose to tail. Most misses on rams are between the legs or over the back. Not too many "ten in a row" pins are handed out for turkeys or rams. I'll be heading south for the first match of the season this weekend...can't wait!