Longbranch1943
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Sorry I meant to say I found the receipt and cleaning rod section in the butt trap. The bayonet is on the way. My bad!
Official Carcano Picture Thread NO KIDDING
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Sorry I meant to say I found the receipt and cleaning rod section in the butt trap. The bayonet is on the way. My bad!
Longbranch1943
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Anyone who has a line on a Model 1891 T.S. Moschetto Modello 91 per Truppe Speciali, please get in touch.
We will be fighting to get ahold of that example
Longbranch1943
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Here few intresting i have:
1- m38 cavalry nazi capture
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2- As new, never issued 1891 cavalry made in 1937:
3- Trombocino carcano
4 and 5 - 2 1891 with original matching stock. a 1917 and a 1933
6- very nice m38, finnish used
7- Vetterli beretta trainer
8- Brescia made youth rifle
9- Verona made youth rifle
10- Italian made japanese Type I
11- M1870/87/15 Vetterli Vitali Carcano
Would yo be able to provide the maker and date of manufacture of your Tromboncino? I am working on compiling serial number collations of surviving examples since it hasn’t been formally done before
Model 1891, 1895 TERNI Fucile Modello 91. Stock matches receiver. Nicest stock I've seen on a Carcano. Included is an example of the 'quality standard' via the nose cap. Was a bit of a Dickens getting it back on.
This is what the Germans were producing in 1891.
Now the Italians. Sad, as they were and are capable of much better work. Earlier in the thread the M91 was described as adequate. Would you bet your life on adequate? I'll take the Mauser thanks.
This is what the Germans were producing in 1891.
Now the Italians. Sad, as they were and are capable of much better work. Earlier in the thread the M91 was described as adequate. Would you bet your life on adequate? I'll take the Mauser thanks.
Eaglelord17
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Model 1891, 1895 TERNI Fucile Modello 91. Stock matches receiver. Nicest stock I've seen on a Carcano. Included is an example of the 'quality standard' via the nose cap. Was a bit of a Dickens getting it back on.
This is what the Germans were producing in 1891.
Now the Italians. Sad, as they were and are capable of much better work. Earlier in the thread the M91 was described as adequate. Would you bet your life on adequate? I'll take the Mauser thanks.
They are reliable, accurate, easy to use and easy to manufacture. Not everything needs to be a Mannlicher-schoenauer in terms of quality to do its job. It also had the major advantage of being domestically made unlike the 1891 Mauser you’ve shown where if Argentina had gone to war they could have ran out of weapons and not been able to replace them.
As a machinist we have some people I consider to be ‘bad’ machinists. Not because they can’t machine or make parts effectively, rather they spend too much time on stuff that doesn’t matter when they could have moved on to the next job and what does matter. For example you can make a Luger like the 1900 one with excellent finishes, polished parts and beautiful bluing/strawing. You could also make a luger like the 1906/29 which practically speaking does the exact same function but is quicker and easier to make because they didn’t waste time and money on non-important things.
R005t3r, I'm not sure why you are trolling this thread. And I think we all know finish is not the mark of a great battle rifle (case and point - look at ANY No.4 Lee-enfield).
In many ways the Mauser 91 was deeply flawed and rapidly evolved to the Mauser 98 action we all appreciate today. The Carcano action, on the other hand, was good enough to not need major improvement for over 50 years as a battle rifle, not a wallflower.
In many ways the Mauser 91 was deeply flawed and rapidly evolved to the Mauser 98 action we all appreciate today. The Carcano action, on the other hand, was good enough to not need major improvement for over 50 years as a battle rifle, not a wallflower.
Not sure when having an opinion or anonymously referring to a differing opinion become trolling. In the free world, we call that debate. Simple comment on quality of manufacture. Just because the M91 wasn't improved or refined doesn't mean it didn't need it.
Eaglelord17
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They did do some improvements to the original design, a simple example being the extractor on the bolt as the original through the bolt lug design was stupid.
Personally I think they were going the right way with the M38 and 7.35 caliber. Got rid of all the extra unnecessary parts to the design (gain twist rifling, adjustable sights, etc.). Obviously WWII killed that project but it would have been interesting to see where it would have gone.
Personally I think they were going the right way with the M38 and 7.35 caliber. Got rid of all the extra unnecessary parts to the design (gain twist rifling, adjustable sights, etc.). Obviously WWII killed that project but it would have been interesting to see where it would have gone.
I agree. I am lucky enough to have an example of the early bolt design and concur with your evaluation. I also have a clean M38 in 7.35 and find it to be solid, elegant short rifle and the bolt action to be reasonably smooth. IMHO a heavier barrel and a ten round detachable magazine would have been appreciable improvements.
Eaglelord17
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I don’t see any benefit to a detachable magazine in a bolt action for military purposes. A good charger system, which the Carcano does have is sufficient. The carcano magazine I would improve like how the French did the M16 modification on the Berthiers. Once that cover is built in I would have basically no objections with it as it is a simple and effective system.
That's a great idea. I was in Enfield territory in regards to a magazine.
It's a carcano picture thread, not a "mauser is better than carcano" thread. Everyone can have an opinion, but debating it in this thread is a bit of a hijack. People who are Mauser enthusiasts have their own picture threads - several of them.
Longbranch1943
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After 3 years of searching. View attachment 687763
Model 1891 T.S. Moschetto Modello 91 per Truppe Speciali
At long last, I found one in Canada! Manufacturing began in 1898. The TS was intended to serve as a handy rifle for non-infantry units. Early models were paired with a side-mounting bayonet that rotated into position; I have a rather beaten example. Later abandoned for a standard M91 bayonet. Last produced in 1919. The caliber should always be 6.5x52mm. Very good bore; still some schmutz at the end I need to scrub out apparently.
Longbranch1943
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count me envious, my example has been messed with and is a second type the is both side and bottom slung. I see you are missing the screw for the transversal bayonet lug. I’m like 99% sure I saw one on ebay for sale. Might be worth checking out. Great find!
Longbranch1943
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also here is my current line up of carcanos. My standouts: the m38 cavalry on the bottom is a 7.35 as well as the m38 fucile corto closest to the top. The top m91 fucile long rifle has a rare pre production mauser recoil bolt stock (my personal holy grail). All the m91 cavalry guns are early production (1896-1894) and are lined up to show all production changes from 1893 to 1918. The refurbed m91 long rifle with the blonde stock is an original 1896 terni rifle that was an award rifle at one point. And the tromboncino obviously which needs no explanation. 
Thank you for the congratulations regarding my good fortune. The screw is not so much missing as it is broken. Is it reasonable to assume the the screw matches that of the M91? I am missing a Tromboncino from my collection, you lucky dog!
