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If it's a bush gun, you probably won't be expecting to take shots longer than 100-150 yards. Irons are plenty good for that caliber at that distance.
OK I'm using a 303 for my bush rifle,
- Thread starter 6.5x55swm
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Your 20, have you ever even had time to get out of your parents basement? From your posts I would say no...
Get some hunting experience, quit feeding the deer your apples and for god sakes quit flapping your arms
. If a deer had time to do all that sh1t by the time you figured out how to use your binoculars you are no threat to anything living.
Pathfinder
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Northeast Ontario
When I hear bush gun, Im automatically thinking no scope. That's what I use my Enfield for .
I cocked my emp rifle and looked through the scope, nothing, i looked harder still nothing, I stared through it for 15 minutes, the damn thing would'nt click till I actualy put my finger on the trigger and pulled. I regularly use the scope on animals to determine legality,and see nothing wrong with that.
WhelenFan makes a good point about having binoculars with you. If you don't have em', you are more likely to use the scope to check out something you're not sure of. Not sure I'ld want someone looking at me through a scope mounted on a rifle.
OP, like it's already been said, the No.4 has a decent peep sight for anything in "the bush." And I agree, shots in the bush are likely to be under 100 yards anyway. Makes your No.4 perfect. Congrats on a cheap rifle.
OP, like it's already been said, the No.4 has a decent peep sight for anything in "the bush." And I agree, shots in the bush are likely to be under 100 yards anyway. Makes your No.4 perfect. Congrats on a cheap rifle.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
Well, I don't use binos. But I rarely use a scope either.
When I do, I don't use it to identify the legality of game.
There is a bit of missing info here, looking above at where the various posters are from.
I see that guys from places where shots tend to be longer prefer both scopes, and binoculars. Guys who hunt bush tend not too.
I fully support the idea that you should not use a scoped rifle to check game, however, as a guy that has hunted bush for 40 years, I also understand that under those conditions, where game is as close as a few feet, motion is your worst enemy, and that leaves the binocs at home.
My game is very very close. Even under dim light, I don't need magnification to see antlers. If I can't see them with the naked eye, it's too damned small anyway.
Back to the OP, I've used the reflective "day-glow" paint on sights. It does work, but it's not very long lasting under bush conditions. I found I had to take a bottle with me to camp and refresh the paint periodically.
Scope use? Personal preference.
Hopefully, you won't be modifying an original military arm.
When I do, I don't use it to identify the legality of game.
There is a bit of missing info here, looking above at where the various posters are from.
I see that guys from places where shots tend to be longer prefer both scopes, and binoculars. Guys who hunt bush tend not too.
I fully support the idea that you should not use a scoped rifle to check game, however, as a guy that has hunted bush for 40 years, I also understand that under those conditions, where game is as close as a few feet, motion is your worst enemy, and that leaves the binocs at home.
My game is very very close. Even under dim light, I don't need magnification to see antlers. If I can't see them with the naked eye, it's too damned small anyway.
Back to the OP, I've used the reflective "day-glow" paint on sights. It does work, but it's not very long lasting under bush conditions. I found I had to take a bottle with me to camp and refresh the paint periodically.
Scope use? Personal preference.
Hopefully, you won't be modifying an original military arm.
Personally I love the field of view and added power (12x binos/3-9x scope usually carried at 3 or 4x) from my binocs, and with the permanent focus type they are the best piece of spotting kit out there. Even still hunting or stalking in the bush, I wouldn't want to be without them as they really do help see deeper into the woods and identify the bedded deer or the odd stump before you're on it, and carry great with a harness. (If you're sitting in a stand all day, they're likely pretty useless). There is no question you can see more with good binoculars than through a scope, but it's totally situational. A deer comes out of the bush ahead of me, I'm not going to grab for the binos to know if it's a doe or a buck when it's already on the move and I have a scoped rifle in hand.
Lowering your rifle and emptying the chamber.
Without sin?
It has become almost standard practice by some to glass for game with thier scope. It has happened to me on numerous occasions and often by hunters in my own group. We should do everything possible to end this practice and educate each other.
I hunted with a peep sight for decades and when I could not see my sights the day was done. We are sportsmen and sometime luck shines on the buck and sometimes on the shooter.
The sights on the Lee Enfield are excellent. In my use I never used anything but the close battle peep, or ghost ring, for hunting and the small peep for testing groups. You have chosen a fine rifle with a bunch of Canadian heritage as well.
I hunted with a peep sight for decades and when I could not see my sights the day was done. We are sportsmen and sometime luck shines on the buck and sometimes on the shooter.
The sights on the Lee Enfield are excellent. In my use I never used anything but the close battle peep, or ghost ring, for hunting and the small peep for testing groups. You have chosen a fine rifle with a bunch of Canadian heritage as well.
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- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
You should never point/aim your rifle at anything you don't want shot.
Be certain of your target BEFORE you aim your rifle at it.
So, you raise your rifle to shoot-- but your don't know what it is yet, so you then see it with your scope, and now you don't want to shoot.
No, you are not without sin, to use your language.
You should have positively identified your potential target BEFORE raising your rifle. That's why bino's are a must.
If you're pointing the gun at things that you don't want to kill/destroy, then you're an accident waiting to happen.
tylerjwitty
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Northern Ontario
empty the chamber??
tylerjwitty
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Northern Ontario
finaly someone that is logical and not too liberal .. Thank you!!!!
- Location
- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
If they're only 40 yards away, and you can't tell which one is the buck, then there's only 3 conclusions:
1. Your vision isn't as good as you say it is
2. It's too dark to shoot
3. The buck is too small to shoot anyway.
Figuring out the details, and then deciding whether or not to shoot while looking through the scope is a bad idea.
"Sorry, I didn't MEAN to shoot that doe"
"Sorry, I didn't MEAN to shoot that horse."
"Sorry, I didn't MEAN to shoot that guy."
These are the things most often said by folks who identify a target through a scope.
He raised his rifle to shoot, so I assume that he had chambered a round.
I have held my rifle on a bear, meaning to shoot it, sometimes for severl minutes, without getting a clear shot. So, you empty the chamber when you decide it isn't going to happen or the animal leaves without giving you a clean shot.
Lets say you are hunting only for bucks and you see a deer that is definitely a buck, can see its antlers and all, so it is legal to shoot.
The conundrum is you want to shoot a deer that has more than 10 points. The deer is 40 yards away. At 40 yards, most people would be hard pressed to determine the difference between a 10 pointer and an 11 pointer with their bare eyes. Somehow it would be a big safety flag to try and figure out how many points it has with a scope?
The conundrum is you want to shoot a deer that has more than 10 points. The deer is 40 yards away. At 40 yards, most people would be hard pressed to determine the difference between a 10 pointer and an 11 pointer with their bare eyes. Somehow it would be a big safety flag to try and figure out how many points it has with a scope?
- Location
- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
That's why we have binoculars. You should never point/aim a loaded rilfe at anything you aren't certain you want dead or destroyed.
Now in your scenario, you may kill the 10 pointer instead of the 11 pointer. It's not likely to happen, but it could happen. You'll be disappointed. It's still legal, so that's not a big deal, as long as you don't abandon the 10 pointer and leave it to rot because it's not the one you wanted. But you will be disappointed, and that COULDN'T have happened if you were certain of the target before you pointed the loaded rifle at it.
Now in your scenario, you may kill the 10 pointer instead of the 11 pointer. It's not likely to happen, but it could happen. You'll be disappointed. It's still legal, so that's not a big deal, as long as you don't abandon the 10 pointer and leave it to rot because it's not the one you wanted. But you will be disappointed, and that COULDN'T have happened if you were certain of the target before you pointed the loaded rifle at it.
