OK, so you participated 15 years ago (so I stand corrected) but for how long?....I started shooting the sport at that time too and the game has changed since then.... but you obviously have a closed mind based on your previous experience so I'm going to leave it at that.....
Dragoon said:
No offence to any of you guys... but it strikes me that the biggest difference between PPC and IPSC is that I can't remember seeing these types of comments (or apparent disrespect) being made back and forth between PPC shooters. I compete regularly with PPC shooters who've been actively participating in the sport for 30 years... and others that started this year... everyone's entitled to their opinions and views. At least they should be shouldn't they?
Well, The good thing about IPSC is that it's highly regulated, and the bad thing about IPSC is that it's highly regulated.
IPSC is all about comparing your performance to other shooters, all over the world. If it's your thing to have your scores ranked, the unfortunate consequence is that there has to be a whole hell of a lot of rules and regulatings to ensure a relatively level playing field. For instance, you get one guy who is the champion of his club, but down the road, there is another guy who can shoot the pantaloons off him, and he's the third from worst at his club.
Considering that, unlike basketball for instance, the court you play on is never the same twice, I think they do a pretty good job of not over-regulating too badly.
Unfortunately, international rankings tend to appeal to a certain class of people that I like to refer to as "pompous fornicating feces eaters", and they give the whole sport a bad name.
I like it all. For me, it's all about "fun with guns". I like to squeeze into my old black payjamas, and kick open pretend doors, and I like to time my splits, and compare myself with other shooters. I shoot at pop cans, and IPSC classic targets.
You will note that I shoot production in IPSC, too.
Watch out for Shoot 2 Live, though.
IPSC is all about comparing your performance to other shooters, all over the world. If it's your thing to have your scores ranked, the unfortunate consequence is that there has to be a whole hell of a lot of rules and regulatings to ensure a relatively level playing field. For instance, you get one guy who is the champion of his club, but down the road, there is another guy who can shoot the pantaloons off him, and he's the third from worst at his club.
Considering that, unlike basketball for instance, the court you play on is never the same twice, I think they do a pretty good job of not over-regulating too badly.
Unfortunately, international rankings tend to appeal to a certain class of people that I like to refer to as "pompous fornicating feces eaters", and they give the whole sport a bad name.
I like it all. For me, it's all about "fun with guns". I like to squeeze into my old black payjamas, and kick open pretend doors, and I like to time my splits, and compare myself with other shooters. I shoot at pop cans, and IPSC classic targets.
You will note that I shoot production in IPSC, too.
Watch out for Shoot 2 Live, though.
Bartledan said:
Exactly... I think its all about fun. I just think some people take the IPSC mantra WAY too far...
And to call me down because our opinions differ is lame. Don't worry Dragoon, I'm not going to start undercutting your Black Badge course fees...
Considering CAS more than doubles every year, I wonder why IPSC doesn't, could it be the crowd? could it be the equipment confusion (production on..off..on etc pistols) could it be the costs? $$$$ fifteen bills minimum.... Personally I have my own beliefs as to why ...
Also check the stats on world-wide attendance, looks kinda like their is some barrier. Completely PC Sport - IPSC should be scooping up hordes and hordes of people...
There are so many advantages to the sport that make it more attractive than any other .... yet, the draw is so small.
Something is wonky I tell ya...
Also check the stats on world-wide attendance, looks kinda like their is some barrier. Completely PC Sport - IPSC should be scooping up hordes and hordes of people...
There are so many advantages to the sport that make it more attractive than any other .... yet, the draw is so small.
Something is wonky I tell ya...
My .02c :lol: Both JR and cpca-ppc are making great points.
To all those watching/listening here, the point is to get out and shoot. Have fun, take either sport as seriously or not as you want.
ALL shooting disciplines have their pro and cons as does any sport. But get out and shoot and find out what fits you the best.
Shoot them all, have fun. My only problem is time. I love shooting everything I can get my hands on. The only way to find out is by squeezing a trigger and making bullets go down range.
Support your local clubs and get involved. You'll love it too.
To all those watching/listening here, the point is to get out and shoot. Have fun, take either sport as seriously or not as you want.
ALL shooting disciplines have their pro and cons as does any sport. But get out and shoot and find out what fits you the best.
Shoot them all, have fun. My only problem is time. I love shooting everything I can get my hands on. The only way to find out is by squeezing a trigger and making bullets go down range.
Support your local clubs and get involved. You'll love it too.
koldt said:My .02c :lol: Both JR and cpca-ppc are making great points.
To all those watching/listening here, the point is to get out and shoot. Have fun, take either sport as seriously or not as you want.
ALL shooting disciplines have their pro and cons as does any sport. But get out and shoot and find out what fits you the best.
Shoot them all, have fun. My only problem is time. I love shooting everything I can get my hands on. The only way to find out is by squeezing a trigger and making bullets go down range.
Support your local clubs and get involved. You'll love it too.
I agree with koldt... I would probably entertain getting back into IPSC (Production only - cause I'm cheap and I would want to beat Dragoon :wink: ) but two days of a Black Badge is not going to happen in my world...
JR
IPSC is freestyle in how you engage the targets, within the spirit and rules of the sport. Compared to PPC it's waaaay freestyle.
I still go out every now and then and shoot PPC but it's not my cup of tea really. It's too mundane. yes there is a great challenge to shooting at 50 yds and trying to keep them all in the X ring (haven't done it yet, but have been close a few times), but I like the adrenelin you get from running in IPSC. However shooting is shooting in my books, and if I didn't have IPSC to fill my time, then I'd probably be doing PPC (or tac pistol or something), hell even Olympic style stuff is trigger time. what's important to me is that we get people out there shooting.
as for CAS, well it's kind of a no brainer to me why it's growing so fast, it's new, that's why. Same as IDPA. Give it time and you'll see it settle out too. IPSC is still growing, especially Production Div.
TSE JR. do you need to retake the BB? I think you can probably just ask for permission from the Alberta RD or your Zone Director and they should be able to take you out to a match and "watch" you shoot. So long as you can read the rulebook and follow the rules, and be safe, I think your old course might still be good. Or I could be totally wrong of course.
I still go out every now and then and shoot PPC but it's not my cup of tea really. It's too mundane. yes there is a great challenge to shooting at 50 yds and trying to keep them all in the X ring (haven't done it yet, but have been close a few times), but I like the adrenelin you get from running in IPSC. However shooting is shooting in my books, and if I didn't have IPSC to fill my time, then I'd probably be doing PPC (or tac pistol or something), hell even Olympic style stuff is trigger time. what's important to me is that we get people out there shooting.
as for CAS, well it's kind of a no brainer to me why it's growing so fast, it's new, that's why. Same as IDPA. Give it time and you'll see it settle out too. IPSC is still growing, especially Production Div.
TSE JR. do you need to retake the BB? I think you can probably just ask for permission from the Alberta RD or your Zone Director and they should be able to take you out to a match and "watch" you shoot. So long as you can read the rulebook and follow the rules, and be safe, I think your old course might still be good. Or I could be totally wrong of course.
Slavex said:
:lol: I remember when I shot my first ipsc match.... the pistol I used fell into the production class.... I didn't know/care I just came to shoot and get my BB...
I lost count of the number of people that day who told me to get a different gun 'cause "noooobody shoots production".. "you'll never get classified" 'cause "noooobody shoots production....
True... that day, that match I was the only production shooter....
A few years later and look...'seems prod. is all the rage :lol:
FWIW:
The definition of IPSC is DVC = Accuracy - Power - Speed
A corresponding definition of PPC is DC = Accuracy - Speed.
PPC shooters fire at a fixed COF, with long distances, out to 50 meters, with fixed times.
The target is 2 1/8" x 3" (X-ring) whereas in IPSC the target is 5 7/8" x 12 3/4" (A-zone). Make the A-zone smaller and you will have to slow down. Make the X-ring larger then you can cut most of the times.
RePete.
The definition of IPSC is DVC = Accuracy - Power - Speed
A corresponding definition of PPC is DC = Accuracy - Speed.
PPC shooters fire at a fixed COF, with long distances, out to 50 meters, with fixed times.
The target is 2 1/8" x 3" (X-ring) whereas in IPSC the target is 5 7/8" x 12 3/4" (A-zone). Make the A-zone smaller and you will have to slow down. Make the X-ring larger then you can cut most of the times.
RePete.
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If we had some organized PPC down here, I'd shoot it.
If we had some organized IDPA type of stuff here, I'd shoot it.
If we had Cowboy shooting down here, I'd shoot it (but no way would I dress up...)
We have ISU Bulls eye at my club and I dabble in it.
It's all competitve shooting - so it's good.
For me, personally - none of them will give me the adrenaline rush of a 32 round long course so if they conflicted with an IPSC match; I'd be at the IPSC match - but I can understand where someone would prefer the other disciplines.
FYI Thamok - this year IPSC Canada has more members than it has had in the last 10.
If we had some organized IDPA type of stuff here, I'd shoot it.
If we had Cowboy shooting down here, I'd shoot it (but no way would I dress up...)
We have ISU Bulls eye at my club and I dabble in it.
It's all competitve shooting - so it's good.
For me, personally - none of them will give me the adrenaline rush of a 32 round long course so if they conflicted with an IPSC match; I'd be at the IPSC match - but I can understand where someone would prefer the other disciplines.
FYI Thamok - this year IPSC Canada has more members than it has had in the last 10.
TSE JR said:
If you have your Black Badge, then you have proof. An old IPSC Canada membership card, (any one of them would be ok), or if you were an RO, contact NROI and they could look up some record of you. How about the name of someone on your Black Badge course with you? If they're still in the game then they could vouch for you. How about an old copy of some match results, that'd be proof. Somebody somewhere must be able to vouch for you.
Matchlock said:
Listen, I was 16 when I did this and I am not a spring chicken any more... I don't rememebr most people I met last week let alone 20+ years ago. I already said it was awhile ago and I cannot be bothered to look things up. It's not like I claimedto be in the Marines or something like that... :roll:
I took a weekend of training with my dad and then over time shot "matches" at the Edmonton Indoor Range. I actually participated in a few IPSC matches at the old firing line here in Calgary. Until I couldn't afford it any more. If any remember me, feel free to speak up...
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JR, Maybe Kanada Kidd could vouch for you... he used to own Edm Indoor in the old days I recall.
IMHO, PPC and IPSC both just want to have people 'holster qualified' and safe.
I do recall some PPC shooters trying to shoot IPSC w/ their light target accuracy based loads and couldn't take down the poppers even though they were hitting them squarely.
IPSC is like going to the pealer bar ... PPC is like going to church... :lol: :lol:
JR, Maybe Kanada Kidd could vouch for you... he used to own Edm Indoor in the old days I recall.
IMHO, PPC and IPSC both just want to have people 'holster qualified' and safe.
I do recall some PPC shooters trying to shoot IPSC w/ their light target accuracy based loads and couldn't take down the poppers even though they were hitting them squarely.
IPSC is like going to the pealer bar ... PPC is like going to church... :lol: :lol:
