Old box of Kynoch 577-450 ammo value?

[Guy JR]

Good day everyone, I have an old box of Kynoch 577-450 ammo and was wondering if they were worth anything. The box is missing the lid and is in rough shape. The ammo its self if dirty looking and a few rounds have some spots of the white/green corosion on them, not much but its there. I was just cleaning out ammo cabnet and as I dont have a Martini Henry I was wondering if there was any point in trying to sell them. Thanks for any input.

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[mooncoon]

around here the shells would sell for $5 - $7 each. With the box, I would think $70 - $80 as a unit

cheers mooncoon

 

[wr.sainsbury]

kynoch ammo

sold a similar box of straight .577 for 100- and this cal. is somewhat rarer.

 

[green]

Ammo looks like reloads.

 

[Guy JR]

Ammo looks like reloads.

As a reloader I couldent find any indicators that they were reloaded. I will take a close up pic and post it here for you to look at. What makes you think its a reload? Thanks.

 

[jethunter]

Ammo looks like reloads.

i don't see any reloading die marks on the brass.

 

[green]

Kynoch factory MH ammo was all loaded with a paper patch bullet. These should have a white patch as they are black powder rifle loads.

 

[sunray]

"...white/green corrosion..." That'll come off with 0000 steel wool. Gently.
"...Ammo looks like reloads..." Nope. Came with lead bullets.

 

[smellie]

Paper-patched bullets were standard with this calibre for many years. White patch for Black loading, orange patch for Smokeless.

Interesting.
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[vega]

Also interesting is that I've always equated the word "solid" in the British ammunition vernacular to denote full-patch bullets, not lead.

 

[ben hunchak]

To me, the bullet doesn't look right or the crimp doesn't, however the primer looks orig. and the box says "solid lead bullet", but I thought the orig. has longer nose with more tapered Rn. There are 3 factory bullet weights, so at this point I'm not sure!!!

 

[john@]

I think the shape of the nose of the bullets are wrong for original Kynoch.
They might have changed their product over the years, but FWIW here is an example of a Kynoch cartridge.

Other obvious differences, the neck of the brass, (previously fired vs unfired), and the amount of markings around the mouth of the casing.

 

[john@]

her's another trick to find out if they are reloads, shake them and listen / feel for loose powder in the cartridge. If its obviously loose its smokeless (or dangerously reloaded bp), and certainly not factory bp.

 

[green]

The load in the MH ctg was indicated by the patch colour:

BP
White Rifle load 85 gr BP/480gr bt
Red Carbine load 70 gr BP/410gr bt

Cordite
Orange Rifle
Green Carbine
Bullets as above

The patch colours were the military standard which Kynoch used on their production

There was also 325 and 365 gr sporting loads made by Kynoch.

The term solid was used to differentiate the bullet from a copper tubed one.
Jacketed bullets were called metal covered.