Old Glocks, do they exist?
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Bob,
We've been over this, I don't shoot IPSC for many reasons, mostly because its unrealistic and comprised of far too many ignorant rules. I've shot IDPA and its sliding into the same sh*t pile as IPSC. Full of more and more ignorant rules and unrealistic scenarios. As for three gun, I compete in as many matches as I can attend in a season. Not that I dislike the handgun only type matches, but three gun tests all three systems which provides for more of a challenge. I find three gun matches have only the most basic of rules and/or divisions and the rest is purely shooter based. The stages are interesting and not published days/weeks/months in advance for everyone to setup and "game" at their home range. Not all of the stages are entirely reality based but they offer significant round counts and unique challenges.
TDC
Actually, I wasn't referring to TDC, but to everybody else.
This can't possibly be TDC?
In court of law he is correct about never stating it. That's all I'm saying.
Matt, that looks just like the one you did your New Shooter Orientation with at Georgetown.
That was a Gen1?
I was still pretty new to glocks at that point...I do remember having a lot of trouble hitting the mag release though.
Steve David
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That was a Gen1?
I was still pretty new to glocks at that point...I do remember having a lot of trouble hitting the mag release though.
That was a Gen1. That Gen 1 now has over 275,000 rounds through it and also the mag release issue has been resolved. I installed the factory extended mag release and slide stop in it, much nicer now, but it still runs and looks great, maybe I will bring it tot he provincials and shoot SSP with it.
I really take offense from your comment above. IDPA here in Alberta, is NOT a Sh%&pile, as you so eloquently put it. TDC, I have invited you out on more then one occasion,and I do so again. Come out to a practice afternoon, and show us all your skills. Put up or shut up. Stop slagging the sport if you have no intention of shooting it.
Jim
He keeps going on about all the rule changes. Quite a statement since the last rule book was written in 2005. I have seen ATHL stages and they are anything but unrealistic as he professes.
I have no idea what he means when he states IPSC stages are unrealistic. IPSC stages test speed and accuracy so I am not sure how they can be unrealistic unless he thinks they don't. Not been my experience!
Jim when was the last time you saw TDC out at one of your matches? Yours in the only IDPA club he would have shot at.
Take Care
Bob
I have no idea what he means when he states IPSC stages are unrealistic. IPSC stages test speed and accuracy so I am not sure how they can be unrealistic unless he thinks they don't. Not been my experience!
Jim when was the last time you saw TDC out at one of your matches? Yours in the only IDPA club he would have shot at.
Take Care
Bob
Steve David
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G34 long gone, still have a G17, will always have a G17, but gone back to a 1911 45. I am far from expert, novice for me bud. I will shoot for fun, have not had much range time in the last 8 months, to busy teaching courses, but will still do my best.
I've put around 500 rounds through my CDP gun so far....but I think I prefer shooting my glock over a 1911 style gun.
I find the grip safety hard to keep down since my grip rides up so high....it kinda applies the pressure along the backstrap pretty much right on the pivot point of the safety. So...I still have to work that out before I start running it in IDPA.
Also gotta work up some loads for it too, a friend gave my a recipe, but haven't gotten around to loading it yet.
I find the grip safety hard to keep down since my grip rides up so high....it kinda applies the pressure along the backstrap pretty much right on the pivot point of the safety. So...I still have to work that out before I start running it in IDPA.
Also gotta work up some loads for it too, a friend gave my a recipe, but haven't gotten around to loading it yet.
Why would you want to see my skills, by most members accounts I'm talking out of my a$$. As for ATHL, it is a joke. I especially like the carpet covered slab to lie on for prone/supine shooting, super realistic. Tell me, will that nice soft surface be available outside the 7-11 when you're shoved to the ground during an armed robbery? Will that surface be available when you engage some scumbag in your home and end up down on the floor? I especially like the penalties for "round dumping". If extra rounds are deemed necessary then so be it. I never knew that firing more than the scheduled rounds for a target was bad form. I thought the goal was to neutralize the threat. If you're unsure if you made solid hits I would suspect you would shoot some more, perhaps I'm wrong? Having heard one of the founders of ATHL directly admit that ATHL is "a sport for fun" clearly tells me it has little realistic training value. The cost is something else as well. Why a guy is only permitted to shoot one match as a non member is beyond me. I fully agree that as a non member you won't be ranked(not that I care) but that is a fair trade. To exclude those who cannot afford to commit both financially and time wise to join is very poor form. If a guy wants to pay the non member price to compete at the odd match here and there what is the harm?
Bob,
re read my post, I never said anything about the rule changes, I indicated my distaste for the rules in general. I'm posted before on the ignorant rules touted by the IPSC league. I'll spare you the repost but the rules are far from PRACTICAL, you know, one of the so called founding principles of IPSC. I find the black badge a complete gimmick and money grab. Especially the part about having to compete in a match before receiving your number. As apparently if you don't compete in atleast one match you clearly didn't learn anything from the BB course.
One of my biggest complaints with IPSC and any competitive discipline for that matter, is the excessive amount of doing f*ck all in exchange for very little shooting. I'd sooner spend the day at the range running some skills and drills than stand around for most of the day waiting to shoot. The last three gun match I went to consisted of 9 hours of on range time for just over 6 minutes of total shooting. That wasn't bad considering the comparatively low number of competitors at a three gun match compared to the numbers at an IPSC match.The stages are very unrealistic. Known number of targets, all the same style and colour in a COF that is published in advance. Sounds like every gunfight, advanced knowledge is quite the norm.
There is no real thinking involved, engage all the targets as fast as possible. Sounds like a robot game. There is no focus on use of cover, single handed firing does no involve reloads or malfunction drills as both hands are permitted for both actions.As I've mentioned before. I prefer reality based shooting and practical skills. IPSC is a game for which I have no interest.
TDC
Ah well now we know what planet you live on and earth isn't it.
What is your reality? I live in Canada TDC. We don't have the right to carry our handguns concealed or open so there is zero likliehood of me or anyone else I know having to drop to the ground outside a 7-11 store and blast away at BG's intent on taking our lives. Sorry but the reality is it ain't going to happen. I have excluded my friends in various Police Departments/Armed Forces who on occassion find themselves in that situation but you aren't involved in this Profession so the reality you speak of doesn't exist for you.
You on the other hand live on a different world where you can carry and being armed to the teeth with your trusty Glock you can defend virgins, unwed mothers and children. In your world, events demanding your razor honed shooting skills, are called upon frequently perhaps even daily. I now can see where you would find shooting disciplines such as IDPA and IPSC boring and unrealistic. Just the fact that our targets don't shoot back would put me off both sports if I lived in your reality. It must be a bummer to have to practice here on Earth where those razor honed shooting of skills can't really be tested.
TDC do us a favour, don't ever confuse your world with ours.
Take Care
Bob
I don't think you understand the concept of round dumping. In IDPA, normally a shooter will not be penalized for firing extra rounds (limited vickers excluded) to pick up hits on a target. But if they're shooting a target at 5 yards and the first two hits were both in the down-zero zone, any extra shots fired is round dumping...especially so if they do it to goto slide lock.
At 5 yards, a shooter can clearly see their hits, firing extra rounds is both unrealistic and a competitive advantage (in the arena we shoot in). in reality, no one would fire extra shots at a neutralized target when 6 more are coming in.
And as far as reality goes....I think IDPA is an adequate analogue....my biggest issue is that reloads have be started behind cover when cover is available. (In reality, if my gun runs dry, I'm gonna start my reload while moving to cover). I really don't understand how you think IDPA is becoming the same s**tpile as IPSC. They are, IMO, fundamentally different shooting sports.
Is this thread a pissing contest or is it about old Glocks?
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Bob,
your reply #116 is the main problem... you have lost the "mindset" of using a firearm for self defense, your post sounds like your just going to let bad things happen to yourself and to your loved ones.... now I know you in real life and I know you would not let that happen, so stop sounding like a target, get off the X and start sounding like a warrior.
remember, MINDSET/TACTICS/ABILITY/GEAR in that order..... IPSC for example is to much gear, to much air gunning and gaming, IDPA is better on tactics and gear side of things but the game is shot with the mindset that "its's just cardboard"..... and that is fine for those that want too.
TDC believes that form should follow function, he lives his life in condition yellow always ready to protect himself and those around him, he is taking the responsibility that you and others will not.... he is ready to defend his area of operations with extreme prejudice. and more power to him, he is a wolf while the rest of you are sheep, he chooses to only participate in activities that reinforce his skillset but more importantly his mindset, HE IS A WOLF. you should be listening to him and not making fun of his stance, while your cowering behind the ATM machine he will be fighting with whatever he has, he is the Omega.
your reply #116 is the main problem... you have lost the "mindset" of using a firearm for self defense, your post sounds like your just going to let bad things happen to yourself and to your loved ones.... now I know you in real life and I know you would not let that happen, so stop sounding like a target, get off the X and start sounding like a warrior.
remember, MINDSET/TACTICS/ABILITY/GEAR in that order..... IPSC for example is to much gear, to much air gunning and gaming, IDPA is better on tactics and gear side of things but the game is shot with the mindset that "its's just cardboard"..... and that is fine for those that want too.
TDC believes that form should follow function, he lives his life in condition yellow always ready to protect himself and those around him, he is taking the responsibility that you and others will not.... he is ready to defend his area of operations with extreme prejudice. and more power to him, he is a wolf while the rest of you are sheep, he chooses to only participate in activities that reinforce his skillset but more importantly his mindset, HE IS A WOLF. you should be listening to him and not making fun of his stance, while your cowering behind the ATM machine he will be fighting with whatever he has, he is the Omega.
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