Was going through some stuff that wa given to me awhile back and ran across some primers I have never seen or heard of. They are in a folded cardboard packet and the only markings are Nr 2703 420B anyone have any ideas and before we get going NO I'm not going to use them just curious.
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A couple of pictures of the case might help identification of them. That number looks more like a production run than a part number. When primers are made and packaged they usually have the make, model etc on the box for the consumer. However, they also usually post a production run number so if a bad run is made that might have safety or other issues, the factory can put out a recall on them. The production run may not be too obvious on all packages and it often is only stamped on the outside of the main case and not the individual cases. In the case of Federal primers, they post it on both the main 1,000 pc case and on the individual although it is fairly faint in both cases and you really have to look for it. When I am making a load recipe, I list not only the primer but the production run and if I get a really good run I keep some primers back from general runs so I can repeat the load later on.
Not having an anvil would make them Berdan primers.
At 0.255" diameter they would be either:
Note I, 6504 at a cup height of 0.090" (yes there is a typo in the dave-cushman chart! Not 0.90").
Note I
For the .577 Snider, .577-.450 Martini Henry, 43 Egyptian and others. Also known as Extra Large Berdan.
Note J, 6507 at cup height of 0.113"
Note J
Cup material 29 BWG (Birmingham Wire Gauge) RWS 6507 interchangeable with Eley 172 and used on many of the large Nitro calibres. Sometimes known as Oversize Berdan or Nitro Berdan.
A little info as to why the typo was not corrected on the web page:
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Dave Cushman died on 22nd February 2011 and shortly before he died he asked me to take over his websites. I later learnt he bequeathed them to me. I am a beekeeper and we discussed the future of the beekeeping website with Dave telling me I could develop it how I wished. He specifically asked that all non-beekeeping websites and pages stay exactly as they are and I promised I would maintain them as long as I could. I understand his reasons and will respect them, so I am unable to accept any offers of additions or updates.
I am aware these pages are used for reference by a large number of people. I am happy for them to continue to be used providing the user is satisfied the information is suitable for their purposes.
Throughout these pages are references to people who may no longer be with us. I have deliberately left the information for historical purposes. Please be thoughtful if you try to contact them and try to find out the situation before doing so.
I have little knowledge of shooting apart from holding a shotgun certificate for 45 years and shooting the odd pheasant or vermin on the farm. I am unable to enter into correspondence due to time pressure. If something is genuinely urgent please email me via the Beekeeping website and put "Shooting" in the subject line and I will try to deal with it.
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Copper colored are Berdan, no anvil and green priming compound fully visible.
Silver colored primer has anvil, so Boxer.
Could you measure the height of the Berdan primers?
You could sell them to someone who needs them if you can state what caliber or case they can be used in.
Not easy to find.
Silver colored primer has anvil, so Boxer.
Could you measure the height of the Berdan primers?
You could sell them to someone who needs them if you can state what caliber or case they can be used in.
Not easy to find.
I'm guessing you can't open the links I posted to Dave Cushman's Berdan Primer size web page.
IMHO, what you have is:
"Note J
Cup material 29 BWG (Birmingham Wire Gauge) RWS 6507 interchangeable with Eley 172 and used on many of the large Nitro calibres. Sometimes known as Oversize Berdan or Nitro Berdan. "
Primer--|Outside----|Cup--------|Thickness----|Cup----|--------|Manufacturer|
Number|Diameter---|Height-----|Of Base------|Material|Usage-|Or------------|
---------|mm 0.000"|mm 0.000"|mm 0.000"--|---------|--------|Supplier------|
126-----|6.34 0.250|2.83 0.111-|0.45 0.0180"|brass---|Note G|Kynock------|
172-----|6.45 0.254|3.38 0.133-|0.330 0.013"|brass---|Note J|Eley----------|
4500----|4.50 0.177|2.20 0.09--|0.40 0.0157"|---------|Note A|RWS---------|
4520----|4.50 0.177|2.10 0.08--|0.55 0.0217"|---------|Note B|RWS---------|
4521----|4.50 0.177|2.20 0.09--|0.40 0.0157"|---------|Note C|RWS---------|
5005----|5.00 0.197|2.20 0.09--|0.40 0.0157"|---------|Note D|RWS---------|
5608----|5.50 0.217|2.80 0.11--|0.70 0.0276"|---------|Note E|RWS---------|
5620----|5.50 0.217|2.65 0.10--|0.60 0.0236"|---------|Note F|RWS---------|
6000----|6.34 0.250|2.85 0.11--|0.79 0.031"--|--------|Note H|RWS---------|
6504----|6.45 0.254|2.35 0.90--|0.45 0.0177"-|--------|Note I| RWS---------|
6507----|6.45 0.254|3.40 0.133-|0.33 0.0130"|--------|Note J| RWS---------|
Notes for number based table
Note A
Intended for use in small pistol rounds like .25 ACP, .32 ACP, .380 ACP and some 9mm calibres.
Note B
Used in small rifle rounds like .22 Hornet, .222 Remington, 5.6 and some obsolete small calibres.
Note C
Sometimes noted as 'Parabellum primer' used in 9 mm Luger (9 x 19), Steyr and majority of pistol rounds that use 4.5 mm primers.
Note D
Used in large calibre pistol rounds. Also known as 'Medium Berdan'.
Note E
Commonly used in Europe for 7.62 NATO rounds, often known as 'standard NATO'.
Note F
The most common 5.5 mm Berdan primer for rifle calibres (90% of 5.5 mm types).
Note G
Produced around 1965 and used in Kynoch production ammunition and primed cases.
Note H
Used in .303 British and related calibres, sometimes known as 'quarter inch' or Large Berdan Rifle.
Note I
For the .577 Snider, .577-.450 Martini Henry, 43 Egyptian and others. Also known as Extra Large Berdan.
Note J
Cup material 29 BWG (Birmingham Wire Gauge) RWS 6507 interchangeable with Eley 172 and used on many of the large Nitro calibres. Sometimes known as Oversize Berdan or Nitro Berdan.
IMHO, what you have is:
"Note J
Cup material 29 BWG (Birmingham Wire Gauge) RWS 6507 interchangeable with Eley 172 and used on many of the large Nitro calibres. Sometimes known as Oversize Berdan or Nitro Berdan. "
Primer--|Outside----|Cup--------|Thickness----|Cup----|--------|Manufacturer|
Number|Diameter---|Height-----|Of Base------|Material|Usage-|Or------------|
---------|mm 0.000"|mm 0.000"|mm 0.000"--|---------|--------|Supplier------|
126-----|6.34 0.250|2.83 0.111-|0.45 0.0180"|brass---|Note G|Kynock------|
172-----|6.45 0.254|3.38 0.133-|0.330 0.013"|brass---|Note J|Eley----------|
4500----|4.50 0.177|2.20 0.09--|0.40 0.0157"|---------|Note A|RWS---------|
4520----|4.50 0.177|2.10 0.08--|0.55 0.0217"|---------|Note B|RWS---------|
4521----|4.50 0.177|2.20 0.09--|0.40 0.0157"|---------|Note C|RWS---------|
5005----|5.00 0.197|2.20 0.09--|0.40 0.0157"|---------|Note D|RWS---------|
5608----|5.50 0.217|2.80 0.11--|0.70 0.0276"|---------|Note E|RWS---------|
5620----|5.50 0.217|2.65 0.10--|0.60 0.0236"|---------|Note F|RWS---------|
6000----|6.34 0.250|2.85 0.11--|0.79 0.031"--|--------|Note H|RWS---------|
6504----|6.45 0.254|2.35 0.90--|0.45 0.0177"-|--------|Note I| RWS---------|
6507----|6.45 0.254|3.40 0.133-|0.33 0.0130"|--------|Note J| RWS---------|
Notes for number based table
Note A
Intended for use in small pistol rounds like .25 ACP, .32 ACP, .380 ACP and some 9mm calibres.
Note B
Used in small rifle rounds like .22 Hornet, .222 Remington, 5.6 and some obsolete small calibres.
Note C
Sometimes noted as 'Parabellum primer' used in 9 mm Luger (9 x 19), Steyr and majority of pistol rounds that use 4.5 mm primers.
Note D
Used in large calibre pistol rounds. Also known as 'Medium Berdan'.
Note E
Commonly used in Europe for 7.62 NATO rounds, often known as 'standard NATO'.
Note F
The most common 5.5 mm Berdan primer for rifle calibres (90% of 5.5 mm types).
Note G
Produced around 1965 and used in Kynoch production ammunition and primed cases.
Note H
Used in .303 British and related calibres, sometimes known as 'quarter inch' or Large Berdan Rifle.
Note I
For the .577 Snider, .577-.450 Martini Henry, 43 Egyptian and others. Also known as Extra Large Berdan.
Note J
Cup material 29 BWG (Birmingham Wire Gauge) RWS 6507 interchangeable with Eley 172 and used on many of the large Nitro calibres. Sometimes known as Oversize Berdan or Nitro Berdan.
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I recentl found some kynoch cases fot a 577/450. Wanna sell them?
