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So, it's a given these days that scent control is paramount in deer hunting...

What did the guys in hunt camps in the 50's do? All I imagine is a bunch of dudes marinating in cigarette smoke and rye fumes and body odour the whole night, then filling the meat pole. I mean, we now know why Fuddy red plaid is such a good choice for deer hunting, but that?
 
bearkilr said:
Scent has always been paramount with deer hunting. Whether or not you believe in gimmicks that supposedly control or even eliminate it is up to each individual. Play the wind and you can smell however you like.
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Of course. But there's a huge difference between controlling your scent and going out reeking. There's nothing that will eliminate scent to a deer, but controlling it sure helps. I was sold on the scent eliminator spray when I did a before and after test with my dog; laid down a scent trail with my stinky (even to me) beat up old ball cap, and she had no trouble following it. Sprayed the hat, smell was immediately gone, and she couldn't track it afterwards. I just find it interesting with the apparent success in the bad old days.
 
Keithjohn said:
Of course in the " bad old days " there was more animals and not as many hunters training the critters human scent meant danger
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I had the same thought... But is it actually true? I dunno... all you hear about is declining hunter numbers. In the 60s and 70s for example there were far more deer taken and far more hunters here in NS - harvest levels in the 50s were over 3x what they are now - 4x in the latest year - with 1/3 less people. Opposite seems to be true for the US generally, where harvests all seem to be rising significantly. A pretty good condemnation of the forestry management practices out here if ever there was one.



 
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flashman2 said:
So, it's a given these days that scent control is paramount in deer hunting...

What did the guys in hunt camps in the 50's do? All I imagine is a bunch of dudes marinating in cigarette smoke and rye fumes and body odour the whole night, then filling the meat pole. I mean, we now know why Fuddy red plaid is such a good choice for deer hunting, but that?
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1950s scent control explained,

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Hank44 said:
1950s scent control explained,

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Amazing. Did you just draw that? Hilarious.

I always think about this one line in a song that seems to have accurately forecasted the explosion of scent control products... "there are lotions, there are potions you can take to hide your shame from all those prying eyes.. ."
 
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There was a very good article on scent in an Field & Stream/Outdoor Life publication. They used a drug sniffer dog to try to detect a guy using various scent control methods, all the way from nothing to top of the line clothing and sprays. (The guy hid in one of several box's in a field). In the end the dog could locate the guy, no matter what method he used, in about 12 secs (?). 2 things worked. #1 was using acorn cover scent, this took the dog an extra 30 secs before he could find him. Not bad, if I can get a deer to not notice me for about 30 sec's that's good. #2 that works the best is to use your trail 2-3 hours before a deer arrives. It allows your scent to disperse so the deer won't be bothered so try entering the woods VERY early. Wish I could find the article, this is from memory but it made for an interesting read.
 
Find the episode on "Scent" by Fred Troast on Michigan Outdoors . He put 500 cigarettes on 14 miles of cedar row fences and filmed the deer reaction down wind . A couple of hundred deer came to investigate the smoke . Same cigars and pipes . He had his crew wear t-shirts for 3 days and hung them up and filmed it . He tested every cover scent available at the time with biologists from Michigan State . The only time deer got spooked was when there was a sudden wind shift in direction but a steady scent of almost anything never bothered them , quite the opposite . Two things spook deer , the scent of your breath and the scent of your azzhole . That scent screams , predator , meat eater , carnivore . Tinks sued him over their Tinks 69 deer lure , doe in estrus pizz . It doesn't work and he proved it . He won in court , the appealet court and the Michigan Supreme Court . The pheramone a doe secrets when she is in estrus dissipates after 3 days so unless your bottles of deer or moose pizz is proven to be less than 3 days old it's useless . He put deodorants on t-shirts and kept shirts rolled in cedar chips and it didn't make a difference . Now the marketeers have charcoal clothing and ozonics and as long as some fool will buy it they will sell it .
 
big boar said:
There was a very good article on scent in an Field & Stream/Outdoor Life publication. They used a drug sniffer dog to try to detect a guy using various scent control methods, all the way from nothing to top of the line clothing and sprays. (The guy hid in one of several box's in a field). In the end the dog could locate the guy, no matter what method he used, in about 12 secs (?). 2 things worked. #1 was using acorn cover scent, this took the dog an extra 30 secs before he could find him. Not bad, if I can get a deer to not notice me for about 30 sec's that's good. #2 that works the best is to use your trail 2-3 hours before a deer arrives. It allows your scent to disperse so the deer won't be bothered so try entering the woods VERY early. Wish I could find the article, this is from memory but it made for an interesting read.
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Interesting. I heard about a study done that was similar, but different. It had to do with getting drugs past dogs, but the trick in that case was to trick the handler, not the dog. Hide the drugs in some ground beef, for instance... Make the handler think the dog is going for meat or something.

I guess all this says is you can't fool the animals, you can just fool the people who interact with them. lol
 
rral22 said:
Scent control is important. Scent elimination is a hoax.

Pay attention to the wind; don't spend any money on gimmicks.
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Scent elimination is definitely a hoax. Unless we could stop breathing somehow. But scent minimization is definitely a worthwhile pursuit. Its not an all or nothing thing as many people seem to think. And unless you only stand hunt, you can't always hunt into the wind. Gotta go home at some point. So minimize what you can, and it just might get you a bit closer to that game that you otherwise would never have even seen.
 
FishHog said:
Scent elimination is definitely a hoax. Unless we could stop breathing somehow. But scent minimization is definitely a worthwhile pursuit. Its not an all or nothing thing as many people seem to think. And unless you only stand hunt, you can't always hunt into the wind. Gotta go home at some point. So minimize what you can, and it just might get you a bit closer to that game that you otherwise would never have even seen.
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This is a great opinion. But I don't agree.
 
chuck nelson said:
This is a great opinion. But I don't agree.
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No, he's right. No matter how hard you try, your breath will always make a smell, and so will the other end, no matter how hard you clench. Plus BO will make its way out the openings of even the best scent blocking clothing.
 
atr said:
Find the episode on "Scent" by Fred Troast on Michigan Outdoors . He put 500 cigarettes on 14 miles of cedar row fences and filmed the deer reaction down wind . A couple of hundred deer came to investigate the smoke . Same cigars and pipes . He had his crew wear t-shirts for 3 days and hung them up and filmed it . He tested every cover scent available at the time with biologists from Michigan State . The only time deer got spooked was when there was a sudden wind shift in direction but a steady scent of almost anything never bothered them , quite the opposite . Two things spook deer , the scent of your breath and the scent of your azzhole . That scent screams , predator , meat eater , carnivore . Tinks sued him over their Tinks 69 deer lure , doe in estrus pizz . It doesn't work and he proved it . He won in court , the appealet court and the Michigan Supreme Court . The pheramone a doe secrets when she is in estrus dissipates after 3 days so unless your bottles of deer or moose pizz is proven to be less than 3 days old it's useless . He put deodorants on t-shirts and kept shirts rolled in cedar chips and it didn't make a difference . Now the marketeers have charcoal clothing and ozonics and as long as some fool will buy it they will sell it .
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Not the one you are talking about but related:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x31q52x

http://www.bowhunting.net/artman/publish/MockScrapes.shtml
 
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atr said:
Find the episode on "Scent" by Fred Troast on Michigan Outdoors . He put 500 cigarettes on 14 miles of cedar row fences and filmed the deer reaction down wind . A couple of hundred deer came to investigate the smoke . Same cigars and pipes . He had his crew wear t-shirts for 3 days and hung them up and filmed it . He tested every cover scent available at the time with biologists from Michigan State . The only time deer got spooked was when there was a sudden wind shift in direction but a steady scent of almost anything never bothered them , quite the opposite . Two things spook deer , the scent of your breath and the scent of your azzhole . That scent screams , predator , meat eater , carnivore . Tinks sued him over their Tinks 69 deer lure , doe in estrus pizz . It doesn't work and he proved it . He won in court , the appealet court and the Michigan Supreme Court . The pheramone a doe secrets when she is in estrus dissipates after 3 days so unless your bottles of deer or moose pizz is proven to be less than 3 days old it's useless . He put deodorants on t-shirts and kept shirts rolled in cedar chips and it didn't make a difference . Now the marketeers have charcoal clothing and ozonics and as long as some fool will buy it they will sell it .
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I remember Buck Stop sueing him for 4 million, winning and bankrupting him.
 
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