Old ugly gun

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Had this one given to me the other day

She is one fugly beast and has no markings what so ever. Looks almost like a home build?

Anyone have any input as to make etc?


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It almost looks like a kids toy from a long time ago or a home made shotgun. it's got Termite holes all over it . I hope they have vacated the stock . as in left town .
 
Wouldn't be surprised if it is not an amateur made fowling gun assembled from miscellaneous parts. Almost like a Newfoundland sealing gun.
Old lock, sear spring screw being covered by the hammer.
 
That is a New England club butt Fowler. Popular in Massachusetts. The style of the work and the lock plate place it likely mid 18th century, possibly as recently made as the rev war era. It’s been cut down and converted to percussion. I’d value that more then I value any of the Bess’s in my collection. Even in that level of rough shape. These aren’t common, I rarely see a surviving original like this.
 
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That is a New England club butt Fowler. Popular in Massachusetts. The style of the work and the lock plate place it likely mid 18th century, possibly as recently made as the rev war era. It’s been cut down and converted to percussion. I’d value that more then I value any of the Bess’s in my collection. Even in that level of rough shape. These aren’t common, I rarely see a surviving original like this.
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Thats very interesting, I figured it was 1800's. I come across a lot of wall hangers, this looked like the oldest of any I have seen. Curious considering the condition, what is the value of something like this ?
 
The stock styling is that of a New England club butt fowler. The lock is definitely 18th century. The trigger guard is a replacement, trigger looks home made. Hard to say when the gun was assembled, might be a composite. Any proofs on the barrel? It was very common to repurpose barrels and locks. Sure has been rode hard and put away wet.
Value? Hard to say. It is an interesting piece, but I do not believe that it has substantial monetary value.
 
Why would anyone keep an old piece of JUNK like that?
(Unless it had some family History)
Used at the Battle of Kittie Poop by great great great Grandpa.

Our family wrongly believed that our Great Great Grandfather used this rifle against the Fenians in 1870.

 
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The stock styling is that of a New England club butt fowler. The lock is definitely 18th century. The trigger guard is a replacement, trigger looks home made. Hard to say when the gun was assembled, might be a composite. Any proofs on the barrel? It was very common to repurpose barrels and locks. Sure has been rode hard and put away wet.
Value? Hard to say. It is an interesting piece, but I do not believe that it has substantial monetary value.
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Yes. And if it was left somewhat original, over last 2 centuries, value would have been many thousands.
 
Perhaps. Look at originals unmessed with.
They were, if memory serves me, captured after 1781, repurposed by NY and New England USA people. Original 1st and 2nd Pattern Brown Bess with correct bess flint lock, t guard, barrel, and stock with that cut/modified butt. One recently sold$3000 US dollars or around $5000 canadian.
 
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