OMG WHAT DO I DO!!!!!!!!!!

sPuTnik said:
Republic of Alberta said:
Leave the removal of idiots on your land to the cops,
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Yes, we should never start a conflict with anyone, the police will always be there to enforce the law and protect us. The govement takes good care of us so we don't need to be rude to others. I trust the gorvement, they know what is right for me and I don't need to think for my self. :roll:
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People talk big about carrying a gun to "protect" themselves but in reality you would #### yourself if someone shot at you.... You would freeze and it would cost you your life. Think about that when you are staring up at the blue sky as the life slowly drains from you...
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not likely, I know what bullets sound like when they whiz by, anyone shooting at me is in for a big surprise.


Land that looks like crown land and is not fenced or posted is land that I will hunt on, If a land owner asks me to leave then no problem, If a lease holder ask me to leave, then it depends on the type of lease that they hold on the crown land if they have th legal right, I'll leave but then I'll make my complaint to the lands and forest service. Lots of other places to hunt.

In the case here is certainly sounds like a grow op. Hmmm sounds like a oppertunity to have some fun :D
 
Agreed that it is the hunter's responsibilty to know where they are at all times.
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And that is what it all boils down to.If you run into conflict because you are on private property without permission,it is entirely your fault.If you can't be bothered to simply pick up a landowner map or order one by phone,don't complain when a landowner #####es at you and tells you to leave.

If you are on crown land(other than lease land),the situation is entirely different as no person has the right to ask you to leave.
 
well im a nice guy and i would do nothing to get my guns taken away (i havent even goten my pal yet) all any one would have do do is ask me to leave in a freindly manner and i would leave with out a fight. hell i would even let the come and hunt with me if they were freindly.
im new here on the island and am here to make freinds not enemys that could hert or kill me with there stupidity.

well im going to go back to the sight and am going to take a better look around see if there realy in a grow op or something and ill bring my camra and my rifle with me just in case. my unkle also agreed to come with me and he is a big man and i wouldent wont to mess with him.
talk to ya all later
Riley
 
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go slow and carefull

scout the area from the road, remember where they came from the first time, if it is a grow op you may have triggered a motion sensor or other sort of remote sensor. don't stand too close together and preferably stand behind the engin block of a truck.

Nothing they can do is your on a road with bino's and a camera.
 
You need to get a county map to determine who's land it is. It's very easy to fiqure it out given the rural road system etc. Obtain permission and you have no issue's. The responsibilities lie with you the hunter to determine where you are and obtain the required permission's. Crown land is open to anybody to use regardless of wether there is a grazing permit on the land or not.

I'm basing my opinions on the Alberta land access situation, I'm not sure wether BC is the same or not, but still what ever issused there are it's still the hunters obligation to seek permission first. If permission can't be obtained i.e. you can't contact the owner then stay off the land. Remember your actions affect all of us hunt. We depend on the generosity of landowners for permission so looking after these folks should be a high priority.

As far as the gun situation goes, that is inexcusable. You did the right thing to not provoke these clowns. There are freaking hillbillies everywhere.
 
Some jackass points his rifle at me on crown land, I'd apologize and make nice, walk away a few hundred meters, set up the bipod, and destroy his car/quad/gear with 150 grain solids. Do the tires first, so he can't come driving after me.
 
I have had a gun pulled on me by a "gansta" I did not freeze :roll: It was Calgary about 10 years ago. I was sitting in my truck waiting in for some ass holes to get out of the way at a Mcdonalds drive through. They were parked in front blocking it and acting "cool" One guy comes over to my truck window, pulls a gun and tells me to "get the #### out of here". I parked my truck right where it was sitting got out and walked in to the Mcdonalds. I got my Big Mac and left.
 
Crown land is open to anybody to use regardless of wether there is a grazing permit on the land or not.
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You can be denied access to a grazing lease for a few reasons including the fact that livestock is on the property.Restrictions such as access by foot only can also be imposed.It is not as simple as some would think.
 
stubblejumper said:
Crown land is open to anybody to use regardless of wether there is a grazing permit on the land or not.
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You can be denied access to a grazing lease for a few reasons including the fact that livestock is on the property.Restrictions such as access by foot only can also be imposed.It is not as simple as some would think.
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some very interesting restrictions on the different types of leases. I've done work in this area, as a forester. If its crown land the lease holders can only restrict access in certain circumstances, unless its held under a MLL lease. I understand grazing lease holders are fustrated by jerks on quads cutting fences tearing up trails and making mudholes etc... but not everyone on a quad is a jerk, and most of the time the jerks are recreational quaders not hunters. I help supervise a recreational lease and I've had problems with quaders, hunters, and people shooting in the gravel pit, but legaly I can not kick them off the lease, I can ask them to leave, but only if they would be interfering with the terms of my lease. In this case its a youth bush training facility, used on weekends. Most of the locals know they can hunt it all week but not the weekends. I hunt it :D during the week but not the weekends. I've never had to threaten anyone with a gun to get them to leave, a simple explination works.
 
You seem to have misunderstood my post. You've made some assumptions that are entirely incorrect. I would disagree that my type of thinking is what gets people killed.
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Slugo, I am sorry if I can across harsh, I am sure you a good guy and probably a good fellow hunter too :D . However I get so pissed when people always think that everything has to get into a pissing match and see confrontation where there is none. :x

95% of hunters are curtious and good people. When approached regarding hunting a piece of land, they do the right thing. No threats needed. BTW I had one idiot try to kick me off my own land, pretending to be the landowner.....

Tempers and guns do not mix. Not everyone is level headed or has all their marbles. Being armed and meancing may just have the opposite effect than intended... May send other individual over the edge. If you absolutely feel the need for a gun because "your life may be in danger cause you don't know who you are dealing with these days"..... why put yourself in harms way? That being said, there is nothing wrong having a rifle on a sling on your shoulder. (Not menacing)

Walking around yelling at people and flaunting a loaded gun to "back up your point" makes all hunters look bad.... Like we are all Trailer Park Trash.

It never hurts to be diplomatic in such situations. State your view firmly and if they still refuse, advise them they are trespassing and that the matter is now in the hands of the cops. And Yes, press charges if you feel that it will teach the idiot a lesson. If you try and reason with an idiot, you will lose everytime. They will goad you into an arguement. Most good hunters (95%) will feel bad about their actions and willingly leave.

Toughness has nothing to do with guns.... Any idiot can kill another with a gun :idea: . Ripping a person apart limb from limb requires more skill :twisted:
 
stubblejumper,

You can be denied access to a grazing lease for a few reasons including the fact that livestock is on the property.Restrictions such as access by foot only can also be imposed.It is not as simple as some would think.
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Your absolutely correct, there are some limitations to crown land leased by others but for the most part it is open to all those who will use it responsibly. By the way permission is required on this property as well if only from a courtesy point of view.
 
bisonhd said:
At what date are cattle supposed to be off crown grazing land and if they're still there is hunting not permitted?
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I'm not sure myself of the rules if any regarding that. I had a conversion with the fish cops in the Red Deer area regarding hunting on Crown land. They told me that the leasee can't legally restrict you from using the land but you can't jepordize the operations he is carrying out either so it becomes a very grey area. Bow hunting was never an issue even if there where cattle on the land but when it comes to rifle season some folks don't want you out there amongst the cattle. I can see there point

I always ask permission to use the land, if denied I don't push the issue as I have plenty of land to use. I'm fortunate in that regard.
 
well i just got back all in one peace.
never saw them and i whent to the owner of the nearest house and asked him about the feild and he sead that no one owns it.
so i whent and did some walking around in that feild and gess what i found.................


















GROW OP, well what was left of one my unkle stumbled across it.
there was a path that i thought was a game trail befor but my unkle sead that there were FRESH PEOPLE PRINTS so he took a look and about 200 yards from where i was hunting there was a very small clearing with about 20 or so large freshly dug holes in it.

if that is not a grow op some one tell me.
so i just got off the phone with the cop that i talked to yesterday and he said that they would go take a look i also have it on film so if they wont they can use it as evedence.
so if you here any one geting busted in the news for drug dealing on the island that could be the same people that were not that freindly with me yesterday.
talk to ya all later
Riley
 
Slugo said:
You would probably get a similar response from me had you been on my land. The difference would be that my rifle would probably have already been loaded. When kicking and armed individual off my property, I don't think it is unreasonable to be armed myself. If he pointed his gun at you, I think that would constitute a threat which would be way out of line. Tresspasers are scum and do not deserve a polite response. GET THE F*** OFF MY LAND NOW AND DON"T EVER COME BACK!!!! In my opinion you were totally in the wrong. It is your responsability to know where you are. FWIW, I don't grow dope and if you ask I'll usually let you hunt.

All that being said, I'm in Ontario and totally unaware of BC laws and ethics. :D
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Slugo he said he was unarmed. They could have been polite about it and no problems its ppl like you that scare me!!!! There is no reason to point a gun at a person unless u feel threatened- what would have happened if the gun went of and they had " accidently" shot him. He made a mistake but no reason to threaten a person unless he threatened 1st. Thats how things escalate you point at him he points at you someone dies!!!!!
 
In BC, it's pretty cear what you must do to your land if you want to keep people off.

Post it or fence it.

If you are confronted by a land owner and told to leave, you must leave (even if the land is not posted or fenced)

If you hunt on private property that is not posted/fenced and you are not told to leave, you have commited no crime.(As long as you respect the legal distance form buildings to shoot rule)

Pretty simple.

FWIW, there are alot of "No trespassing" signs and "no hunting" signs put up on Crown Land. There is one rigth near my house, along a road.

SOme landowners put it up to dissuade people form shooting or hunting near thier property, but the truth is, the road is a Forest Service Road, and you can shoot on it, as well as there are plenty of areas in between ranches that are Crown and can be hunted.

They put up thier bull#### sign and I chuckle when I pass it. I don't complain or tear it down, because it works in my favour. Hunters that don't know the terrain leave.. :D

The sign quotes sections in the WIldlife Act, but it has no official stampon it. When my buddy asked the local CO about it, he just chuckled. :wink:
 
Walking around yelling at people and flaunting a loaded gun to "back up your point" makes all hunters look bad.... Like we are all Trailer Park Trash.
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One guy here with lots of common sense :)

Some jackass points his rifle at me on crown land, I'd apologize and make nice, walk away a few hundred meters, set up the bipod, and destroy his car/quad/gear with 150 grain solids. Do the tires first, so he can't come driving after me.
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One guy here I certainly don't want anywhere around me :?

And just to throw another scenario into the fray! How many friggin people can actually take a map & find property lines, corner posts & such :?: My bet is da-m few :? & to assume that just because there's a fence it's a property line is absurd :roll:
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Agreed that it is the hunter's responsibilty to know where they are at all times.



:arrow: And that is what it all boils down to.If you run into conflict because you are on private property without permission,it is entirely your fault.
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Slugo he said he was unarmed. They could have been polite about it and no problems its ppl like you that scare me!!!! There is no reason to point a gun at a person unless u feel threatened- what would have happened if the gun went of and they had " accidently" shot him. He made a mistake but no reason to threaten a person unless he threatened 1st. Thats how things escalate you point at him he points at you someone
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TinMan7

You should take the time to read posts carefully and the entire thread before you reply. I don't recall stating or implying I would point a gun a someone unless I felt threatened. I even clarified my position in second post previous to yours. It is people like you who react too quickly without taking the time to be sure of the facts that scare me. :D

Slugo :D
 
death-junky said:
holy hell!!!! today i was out hunting in the a new area around some farms.
I saw that there were lots of deer in the area and would probley be a very good place to hunt.
I found a cleared area just past the edge of someones farm (saw the fence) so i start to set up a blind faceing away from the farm. I just get set up when two guys on atvs ride up to were im sitting. then they see me and start to scream at me and i mean scream (lots of swareing) they finaly come up to me and say that im on the the other guys feild i was like im sorry but there are no NO hunting signs, no fence around the perimiter exept the one behind me (i walked the field to find the best spot for the blind), and this is not a feild (there were stumps and cut trees everywere) then one of them grabs his guns from the gun boots and loads it up. he then tells me that I can leave now if YOU dont wont any trouble and then he stairs a hole trough me with his gun across his lap.
im like f*ck this and i leave.....
what should i do sould i call the cops or do nuthing i dont no....... :?
talk to ya all later
Riley
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sorry to burst your bubble.... BUT,,,,,
there's nowhere stated that they pointed the firearm at DJ.
so half of the comments are nil by de facto.
maybe there's a grow-op. let the cops know about the incident.
Make a report. Talking to them on the phone... like>>> hey guys, this and that happened>>>> you'd expect to hear some response like ////\\\ hey that's my cousin Larry cultivating and providing for all of us.... leave him alone////\\\
if you put in a written report.... then they HAVE to investigate. A phone call works for ppl reporting their neighbour cleaning his shotgun in the back yard - in a such violence free society.

And dear esteemed members, please do not incite young bloods to take matters into their hands. Not that cops are all so great, but they have the authority to investigate and it's their hide not yours.
they took off. Maybe they read your post on CGN... maybe.... how far do you want to go?

be careful out there, Death junky. The guys you encoutered don't know your log name here on CGN. And being shot is no fun.
actually being shot at is not fun either.

KEEP IT SAFE or we'll call your mother, and there's were it will start ot get serious.
Don't mean to patronize you, young man, but we're all ejoying your presence here on the forum. let it be that way, and not a tragic ending.

call the man and let him set the hounds on them.
 
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