ON turkey hunting course (the uselesness)

I have supplied this opinion on other boards over the last two years, When I started hunting 16 years ago I took a one day course, at the end of it I was qualified to get my hunting licence, take the test for my FAC and hunt every animal in Ontario, other than turkeys which were not in my area yet. Now the course is a friday night and all day saturday and sunday, to get a gun licence you have to put in that time again and if you want to hunt one of the main game animals in the province you must ginve up another full day. And the OFAH says they want to encourage new hunters, bull$@#$% they want your money. If the hunter education course cannot teach you what you need to know about turkeys in the extra day and a half the course now is I think it is useless. The new hunter course should definately be changed to cover all hunting in the province, why not a seperate course for deer, bear, moose duck etc? I don't think anyone can argue that there are not inherent dangers in either of these other pursuits and skills needed but the hunter education course seeems to be able to cover them. In my mind it is either a pure cash grab for the OFAH who puts on the course or complete incompetence of the current hunter education course to prepare hunters.

dave
 
LMAO, you guys kill me....


I bet all the guys complaining about the course havent shot a bird yet...

Its usually the case...
 
DarrylDB said:
LMAO, you guys kill me....


I bet all the guys complaining about the course havent shot a bird yet...

Its usually the case...
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They haven't opened a season yet, they just planted them 2 years ago and aren't opening the season till the spring after this coming spring.:(

Just went and got it to avoid the rush!;)
 
DarrylDB said:
LMAO, you guys kill me....


I bet all the guys complaining about the course havent shot a bird yet...

Its usually the case...
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I shot 2 jakes my first year hunting them, last year. :D

What ever happend to don't shot until you can clearly identify your target? I mean if you see some red or blue or white, have you seen the turkeys beard?

The turkey course may help a bit, but I still get people sneaking onto private property full camo, good way to get shot.
 
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DarrylDB said:
LMAO, you guys kill me....


I bet all the guys complaining about the course havent shot a bird yet...

Its usually the case...
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Why do you say that? I think its the opposite. Most of the hunters I know have gotten a bird or 2 every year since it opened (near collingwood) and I'm sure they have the same feelings about the course as most here are expressing.
 
soooo,

If I emmigrate to BC... it's notmal for them to ask me to take CORE, right? Because they can hunt turkey with the regular licence and I can't.
Do we do the same for them?

I still think that turke hunting is -like all other forms of hunting - an exercise of good sense. No course can ever teach a man to have good sense. Just slam it in our regular hunter ed. and be done with it.
 
Turkey hunting is not like any other type of hunting... period.
Turkeys are one of the few game birds that you call and they call back. It is close range hunting and full camo is a necessity. Decoys and calling creates a scenario of deception for the Turkey and for other hunters.... very dangerous.
As an Instructor I believe the Turkey course to be necessary and it will prevent many tragedies.
I think they should offer the course year round at a nominal fee by qualified instructors, get rid of the commercialism and make the testing a true pass or fail scenario!
 
BIGREDD said:
Decoys and calling creates a scenario of deception for the Turkey and for other hunters.... very dangerous.
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Sounds a lot like moose hunting, goose hunting and pretty much any other type of hunting where a hunter would carry a call and a gun.


Again it comes down to common sense........I dont run around calling moose with last years rack on my head and I wouldnt sit beside my 'Struttin' Tom' decoy while wailing away on my Gobble call. A 2 page pamphlet handed out with the licence could give you all the info presented in the course.
 
LeePeterson said:
I shot 2 jakes my first year hunting them, last year. :D
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Point taken...

Two Jakes...


Had you paid attention to the calling seminar, it might have been two toms...

Jakes come out to a dog barking...



You know what, you guys are entitles to your opinion, Which is fine, but next time a guy asks me to teach him to call after he's taken the seminar...
I'll ask him how much he liked it first...

seems that everyone who hated their seminar needs calling lessons...
Tell you what Lee, and GTH, when you've had to teach a few dozen guys to call turkeys after a 6 hour in class seminar, you might understand our opinion...
Im sure Adrian has dealt with it hundreds of times more than I have, and its funny...
 
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seems that everyone who hated their seminar needs calling lessons...
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What??? Where do you get this??? Are you saying that without having a calling seminar forced down my throat I wont be able to call a turkey and be successful. This is the kind of arrogance that turned me off the seminars in the first place.

I can call moose, geese, coyotes, fox, and pretty much everything else I've tried. I wasnt perfect first time and I'm still not but i learned by trial and error I did not require a commercialized seminar to teach me. I have attended calling seminars before, I paid for them and I learned a lot, but I wasnt legislated to go.

Look, everytime this thread comes up here its pretty obvious who profits from these seminars and who has to pay for them. Now if the seminar was optional it would be a different story. But they arent and thats what gets most people pissed off. If these seminars are so great why dont you guys set up private calling workshops, charge a reasonable fee and see what kind of attendance you get.
 
gth said:
What??? Where do you get this??? Are you saying that without having a calling seminar forced down my throat I wont be able to call a turkey and be successful. This is the kind of arrogance that turned me off the seminars in the first place..
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Sure you can Greg, But when you've been in my shoes and had to teach dozens of people how to call turkeys after thay had a 6 hour lesson, It gets to be annoying... and they're allways the ones who claim that the seminar is BS... Are you seeing the co-relation between the two? SOme of these guys have been hunting turkeys for years and havent shot ####...

You may be able to call a turkey in, but after spending some cash on calling video's or watching some turkey shows...
Were you successful calling moose your first year? Moose Deer and bear are much different to call than Turkeys...
Had you hunted turkey you would know that
gth said:
I can call moose, geese, coyotes, fox, and pretty much everything else I've tried. I wasnt perfect first time and I'm still not but i learned by trial and error I did not require a commercialized seminar to teach me. I have attended calling seminars before, I paid for them and I learned a lot, but I wasnt legislated to go.
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Had you had a seminar available for less than the cost of a calling video, you would have for any of the above...
Turkeys are a bit harder to call than any of the above too...
How do I know? I can call all of the above too...
with any of the above, you can learn three basic calls to be successful...
Try that with a Turkey, and you can shoot all the jakes you want...
Toms will outsmart you 99% of the time...

gth said:
Look, everytime this thread comes up here its pretty obvious who profits from these seminars and who has to pay for them. Now if the seminar was optional it would be a different story. But they arent and thats what gets most people pissed off. If these seminars are so great why dont you guys set up private calling workshops, charge a reasonable fee and see what kind of attendance you get.
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The fact that every turkey tou see is a descendant of a transplanted turkey should be explanation enough...

There are many turkey calling seminars available... PM Adrian, Im sure he ca give you a list of his and other seminars available...
No different than moose, Deer, coyotes etc...

Im not going to change your mind, nor am I going to try...

The only thing I can tell you buddy is come down for a turkey hunt, and I'll show you what you missed in your seminar... :D
Im serious...
 
You may be able to call a turkey in, but after spending some cash on calling video's or watching some turkey shows...
Were you successful calling moose your first year? Moose Deer and bear are much different to call than Turkeys...
Had you hunted turkey you would know that
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Just for the record I have hunted turkeys a litte. I killed a few Jakes and few Toms in last 7 years (I didnt go last year and I doubt I will go again, I hate the drive south for a deer hunt let alone a turkey hunt.) I have also called in quite a few for others to shoot over the years, so its not like I have never done it.

Turkeys are a bit harder to call than any of the above too...
How do I know? I can call all of the above too...
with any of the above, you can learn three basic calls to be successful...
Try that with a Turkey, and you can shoot all the jakes you want...
Toms will outsmart you 99% of the time...
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This is the part that makes me laugh, we must have some damn stupid toms or just have an exceptionally hight number of turkeys around collingwood :D . I wont make it sound like we just give a few clucks nd have toms running over us but to say a turkey is harder to call/hunt than a moose or a yote or a wolf.............:eek: :eek:

C'mon the gig is up...........there is one crap load of turkeys registered every year and these guys arent all expert callers:p :p :p
 
You don't shoot unless your sure of your target and where the bullet will go don't mater what color of animal your shooting at I don't need some course to teach me that its just a big waste of time oh and about calling in turkeys how do you think the first people to do it learned not by some course
 
GTH , I do every year.

Redd , I will agree with you 100%

Darryl , you going to be at the fishing show ? Not sure If I'll be there or not, they wait till the last minute all the time.

When all the new hunters are taking the safety course , I'll be in Florida Hunting the Gobbler for a month ;)

Feb 25, 2007
Advanced Turkey Hunting and Calling Seminar
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