Once and for all, is H414 the same as W760?

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I keep reading online that H414 is actually the exact same as Winchester 760, yet, as I have perused several reloading manuals, and online recipes from decent reloading sites, there often seems to be 2 different charge weights for each powder per recipe.
I've seen "180gr bullet 46.2gr H414, yet 44.8 would be the start with W760, yet aren't they the same? (This is where there are multiple powder listings below the particular bullet type/weight in the manual, yet when the 2 powders are shown together on the same list, there are 2 different charges shown)
I've seen this enough to question if they truly are the same, or just very very close in burn rates.
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This is a Winchester powder. Hodgen sells powders made by a variety of manufacturers, all over the world. They do not make powder.

It is the same powder.

The reason for variations is different lots of powders used in different guns will get different results. It is a guide for you. You start low in YOUR rifle, and work up. Each rifle is different.
 
Ganderite said:
This is a Winchester powder. Hodgen sells powders made by a variety of manufacturers, all over the world. They do not make powder.

It is the same powder.

The reason for variations is different lots of powders used in different guns will get different results. It is a guide for you. You start low in YOUR rifle, and work up. Each rifle is different.
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sgt.rock, pay close attention to what Ganderite just wrote as a clarification to you.

Every lot of powder is different from the last lot. Even if they were made in the same facility. That's why I always shake my head when someone who has been loading for years will only buy one pound of powder at a time and not bother to work up a new load.

Here's a bit of advice for you. It works very well and will keep your powder consistent 99.999% of the time. Buy your powder in at least 5 pound lots. If you can't get 5 pounds of the same lot#, don't fret, buy 5 different lots, won't make any difference. When you get home, pour all of the powder into a glass bowl that is large enough to hold it all at one time or a stainless steel bowl.

Mix up all of the powder together as one lot. You now have 5 pounds of the same consistency powder. Usually, by mixing these powders together, you can get away with your regular loads and not have to work up a new load. When I'm down to my last pound, I go and pick up another 5 pounds and mix in the last pound as well. Joy of course, is buying an 8 pound jug.

Quite a few years ago, a longtime friend, now gone to his maker, showed me this little trick for Hunter Bench Rest shooting. I've never looked back.

Reality is that commercial powders, even thought they are marked with the same designation, can vary by as much as 5% from lot to lot or one manufacturer to another. They do their best but that's about as close as they can get their batches of coatings, which control burn rates to conform.
 
I mix my powders too, to make a uniform lot. But I mix it in a garbage can. I use a lot of powder. It comes in 20kg drums.

I then seal the mixed powder in clean dry windshield washer jugs I collect from the local gas station garbage cans. In this way the powder does not dry out while in storage.

I buy my powders 1300 pounds at a time, because that is all my truck will carry. This Bofors powder would be packaged by Aliant and sold as ReLoader 15. You can buy powder wholesale by the ton, too. All you have to do is own an ammo company.... Don't ask.

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A lot. A truck load lasted about three weeks.

It would have lasted longer except there would be a line up of guys in my driveway with a cup saying, "I need a cup of 4895..."

Powder costs $3.00 to $10 a pound, at the factory.

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I was told by another CGN'er that is way older and wiser than I, to look at the MSDS sheets. Not for this comparision, but I'm sure the answer is there.
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Ganderite, I like to use laundry soap containers instead of windshield washer type jugs.

Nothing wrong with the WW jugs, other than that they are to lightly constructed for my taste.

Some laundromats and industrial laundry facilities use 5-10 litre containers and larger. They are usually happy to give them away. They're easy to clean, usually non static and have handy pour spouts that allow every grain of powder to escape without fuss.
 
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