troutseeker
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One gun - One bullet
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ChaosTraitor
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for the one gun i would say you have to take a 7mm rem mag, it has the power to kill anything and a huge bullet selection you could form too anyone's needs. for me i need to kill the great bears, the the way down to fast moving coyotes , so my bullet of choice is 168gr burger . 68grains of retumbo 2800fps, .75moa two 300yards 1.25moa at 500yards ,
flat, fast enough, and a properly place burger is not a pretty picture , do not use these bullets for meat hunting ,( in my mind) only unethical trophy hunting is to be done with them.
flat, fast enough, and a properly place burger is not a pretty picture , do not use these bullets for meat hunting ,( in my mind) only unethical trophy hunting is to be done with them.
True, but only in the new King... .375 ruger!
Kings, Queens...Not my field of expertise.
As long as you like short for caliber sawed off bullets the 375Ruger is fine.
Currently I am playing with the 350TSX, 300TSX, and am looking at ordering some 380 Rhinos...Pipe dream stuff for a 375 Ruger.
Most are better off with a 375H&H, 375Wby (the very best balanced 375 IMHO), or the Lord Almighty 375RUM.
The 375H&H is the World standard because its easy to shoot and it works.
I find it odd how many North Americans can't deal with the recoil of the 375H&H?
Every day stuff in Africa is such a big deal here?
For North America I could get by with a.300 Win, since we don't have the extremes in size both large and small.I can think of a dozen bullets that would work for the "one bullet" part.
I still don't want to be a one gun hunter, but you can only carry one at time, and there are times when it is difficult to bring more than one at all.
Northman999
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Yukon
I've been thinking quite a bit lately about having just one big game rifle, actually. Very hard to narrow it down.
Up here we need to be shooting a 180gr, .308 dia bullet with 2800 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle as a minumum for bison, so that rules out anything less than 30 cal as a "one gun" rifle for anyone living in the Yukon.
Having only one rifle, I'd definitely lean towards going with more powerful than less, just to be sure...lots of effective magnums out there, along with very good non-magnums like the 9.3x62...hmm.
I'll have say some varitey of tactical/hunter in .338 Lapua shooting TSX's.
Up here we need to be shooting a 180gr, .308 dia bullet with 2800 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle as a minumum for bison, so that rules out anything less than 30 cal as a "one gun" rifle for anyone living in the Yukon.
Having only one rifle, I'd definitely lean towards going with more powerful than less, just to be sure...lots of effective magnums out there, along with very good non-magnums like the 9.3x62...hmm.
I'll have say some varitey of tactical/hunter in .338 Lapua shooting TSX's.
Many are called, few are chosen.
These threads go from "one gun for everything" to "one gun for everything for the recoil shy" and "one gun except for 'that', and I wouldn't try 'that' either, unless it was broadside and close". Somewhere along the line someone will proclaim that they would try anything with a given caliber if someone else was paying the bill. Not that that offer/condition combo has ever been made in the history of hunting.
One gun for everything assumes the shooter is also up to everything, and has the opportunity for everything. Without those conditions it quickly becomes one gun for whatever an individual is doing.
Grancel Fitz had much to do with setting up the modern Boone and Crocket club. He was also the first man in history to hunt all of the 24 species of north american big game, that can be hunted. 13 of those that he collected were record class heads.
He did all this between 1926 and 1955.
He used but one rifle, a 30-06, and factory loaded ammunition.
He did all this between 1926 and 1955.
He used but one rifle, a 30-06, and factory loaded ammunition.
LOL Dogleg!
Show me a guy that can't manage the recoil of a 375H&H and I'll show you the same guy that flinches while shooting his 30-06.
Recoil is cumulative.
30-40 rounds of 30-06 feels just like 5-10 shots out of a 375.
Recoil management is a taught or learned process.
If you haven't been taught or haven't taken the time to learn you will never shoot successfully.
Everybody needs to own a BFSR...Big F'ing Scary Rifle to put things into perspective.
Show me a guy that can't manage the recoil of a 375H&H and I'll show you the same guy that flinches while shooting his 30-06.
Recoil is cumulative.
30-40 rounds of 30-06 feels just like 5-10 shots out of a 375.
Recoil management is a taught or learned process.
If you haven't been taught or haven't taken the time to learn you will never shoot successfully.
Everybody needs to own a BFSR...Big F'ing Scary Rifle to put things into perspective.
ChaosTraitor
Regular
Everybody needs to own a BFSR...Big F'ing Scary Rifle to put things into perspective.[/QUOTE]
i have a 375 ultra mag Ruger #1 , the 380gr rhinos cure most people , you can shoot all the .06's and 7mm's you want after. i on the other hand use it for a bush gun.
i have a 375 ultra mag Ruger #1 , the 380gr rhinos cure most people , you can shoot all the .06's and 7mm's you want after. i on the other hand use it for a bush gun.
The .416 really puts the .375s recoil in perspective, since it is about double. I usually try to keep that down to about 30 shots at a time, or the headaches set in.
I'll shoot a .375 until I burn myself. Must avoid burn-induced flinching.
I'll shoot a .375 until I burn myself. Must avoid burn-induced flinching.
If find the 375 Ultra and my 416 Rem identical.
I used to run my 416 Rem at 8 pounds complete and it was explosively violent....Other big bore buddies would shoot it once then refused to touch it.
I ordered another McMillan with mag fill (8.5 pounds complete) and the gun was a complete pussycat...I was almost disappointed!
The 416 Rigby hits a little harder, but I find it completely controllable.
Most likely because the rifle is 9.5 pounds!
The fast 45's...
Those things give me grief!
I find then to be another complete world of recoil.
Given more weight anything is manageable, but I don't like 10 pound rifles.
I used to run my 416 Rem at 8 pounds complete and it was explosively violent....Other big bore buddies would shoot it once then refused to touch it.
I ordered another McMillan with mag fill (8.5 pounds complete) and the gun was a complete pussycat...I was almost disappointed!
The 416 Rigby hits a little harder, but I find it completely controllable.
Most likely because the rifle is 9.5 pounds!
The fast 45's...
Those things give me grief!
I find then to be another complete world of recoil.
Given more weight anything is manageable, but I don't like 10 pound rifles.
That's about what mine weighed before I found a heavier stock for it. Then it went from manageable to fun. I don't mind carrying the weight.
I don't see any .416 in the "all round" niche. Fact is, on my last buffalo trip I left it home and didn't miss it. Its not going to Australia in July either; I've got a trophy/cull buffalo combo thing going.
My last 3 buff were with a Remington, a .375 Custom shop gun I got on the EE. I'll take it down-under and try for a dozen.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Thats the cartridge Remington should have brought out, followed by a .458 version. I used to shoot a .416 Rigby that I loaded on the warm side, 350 gr Xs and Magtips @ 2850. There were a number of tough youngsters around here who tried that rifle, but few wanted a second shot. I could hold it for 3 rounds prone and I can hold the .375 Ultra for 5, so I do believe there is a measurable recoil difference between those two, although that doesn't take into account the differences in stock design, so the actual numbers may in fact be closer than I think they are. As for the .416 Remington I haven't shot one enough to draw a conclusion.
Edited to add . . .
According to the recoil calculator with 9 pounds allowed for both rifles:
.415 Rigby with 102 gr of powder and a 350 gr bullet @2850 = 69.5 ft/lbs
.375 Ultra with 84 grs of powder and a 380 gr bullet @ 2350 = 53 ft/lbs
So the difference is roughly equal to the recoil of a .30/06 fired in a heavy rifle. Clearly that puts the .375's recoil in line with shooting a .300 magnum, especially when you consider that a .375 Ruger or a .375 H&H is more popular than the Weatherby or Ultra versions.
- Location
- Haliburton County, Central Ontario
Thanks for pointing out that rifle weight (carry weight and recoil weight) is an important factor in the equation too.
I, like most I suspect, am 100% confident with recoil up to 7mm mag. When I get the .350 mag out on occasion, the first shot is always a bit thrilling as I settle into this recoil regime. The recoil difference between my 7mm Rem Mag and my 30-06, however, is less than 4 or 5 lbs in a similar weight gun with bullets of equal mass. I wonder if this has any bearing on the apparent leader in this thread being the .30 caliber in 180 grain, with the 30-06 still poking it's head above the pack...
I, like most I suspect, am 100% confident with recoil up to 7mm mag. When I get the .350 mag out on occasion, the first shot is always a bit thrilling as I settle into this recoil regime. The recoil difference between my 7mm Rem Mag and my 30-06, however, is less than 4 or 5 lbs in a similar weight gun with bullets of equal mass. I wonder if this has any bearing on the apparent leader in this thread being the .30 caliber in 180 grain, with the 30-06 still poking it's head above the pack...
The guys at Accurate Reloading were able to get their 450 Ultra (450 Vincent long) to push a 500Hornady FMJ to 2600fps with 2 different powders which equals 460Wby velocities. High pressure for sure, but it shows the potential is there.
I'd be interested to see the recoil levels on that one!
I'd be interested to see the recoil levels on that one!
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
If we consider Jeff Cooper's load for the .460 G&A, a similar animal, which was a 500 gr Hornady over 90 grs of 4064 for 2400 from a 21" barrel, and a 12 pound rifle, the game opens at just over 64 ft/lbs. If we were to increase the powder charge to say 100 grs and increase the velocity to 2600, it looks more like 76.3 ft/lbs. I doubt if the Ultra case could hold 100 grs of propellant with such a long bullet, so lets say 500 ahead of 95 grs for 2600 and we get 75.5 ft/lbs.
