one scope, multiple guns?

FlyingHigh

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so i was watching Magpul's The Art of the Precision Rifle. one thing they mentioned is that instead of having 4 or 5 decent scopes on 4 or 5 guns, save your money and buy one amazing scope and a set of high quality quick release rings. then you just put the scope on the rifle you're taking out for your trip and do a quick sight in to fine tune it.

this sounds like a great idea to me. i have a 7mm Rem Mag right now, but plan to get a .223, .308 and perhaps a .243 in the next couple years. the .308 would likely be a long range hunting and target gun, while the .223 and the .243 would be basic hunting guns. i would like parallax adjustment and target turrets for sure and a mildot reticle would be nice, but i'm open to other reticles, since then i can use it for target shooting as well. any suggestions on power? i want to be able to use it for long range shooting but also for shots under 300 yards while hunting.

I'm looking at Zeiss, Nightforce, and Swarovski right now. Schmidt and Bender is pretty good too from what i hear, but i can't seem to find a dealer for them. any suggestions? is such an idea actually a feasible one? anyone currently using a system like this?

who makes a high end set of quick release rings?
 
Unless all of your rifles have compatible mounts or rails, that allow the rings to easily attach and maintain the proper eye relief. this isn't feasible. The ring spacings between different rifles do vary, as do the lengths of pull of various rifles. As well, you would still have to sight in the scope with every rifle as you move the scope from one gun to another.
 
i would mount a picatinney rail on each gun to allow for mounting the scope. as for sighting in, that's not too big of an issue, since i'll keep my 7mm with it's current scope for spur of the moment trips. any planned trips i'll have time to get down to the range or into the field to sight in for the gun i want to bring along.
 
I tried this but it didn't work out. My original idea was a little different than yours - buy high quality optics for hunting and buy something less expensive with good magnification for load/range work. I don't see how you could have too much magnification for that.

Also, the rail thing - I don't know what the tolerances of the picatinny are, but they can't be zero. That means that you will have to reposition the rings, which then calls into question whether putting rails on everything is worthwhile (they are heavier). With a little more work, you could just transfer the scope between rifles using the rings/mounts of each individual rifle. Assuming of course, that there are no clearance issues from one firearm to another.
 
crap. so what you're saying is Magpul's guy was blowing it out his ass!? say it ain't so!! :eek: :D

Looch, did you find that it didn't work out for you because of the magnification issues? i don't mind using a higher magnification for hunting now and then since a few places i hunt have lots of open ground and grasslands especially in Alberta and in Central BC. high magnification wouldn't be bad for varmint hunting either, since long shots can be common. if i'm hunting tighter bush, i'll just grab my 7mm with the 3-9x40mm.

i'll have to look into the picatinney rails and see how much issue mounting the scope from one to another will cause.

anyone know who makes a high quality set of quick release rings and bases?
 
My #1, no comprimise solution to this problem is buy a set of bore lasers (which should be easy for you if you plan on popular calibres like .308 and .223).


Remount the scope as per Magpul's direction then use the bore laser to fine tune your zero.


Pain in the ass sure but alot cheaper than several scopes.
 
FlyingHigh said:
crap. so what you're saying is Magpul's guy was blowing it out his ass!? say it ain't so!! :eek: :D

Looch, did you find that it didn't work out for you because of the magnification issues? i don't mind using a higher magnification for hunting now and then since a few places i hunt have lots of open ground and grasslands especially in Alberta and in Central BC. high magnification wouldn't be bad for varmint hunting either, since long shots can be common. if i'm hunting tighter bush, i'll just grab my 7mm with the 3-9x40mm.

i'll have to look into the picatinney rails and see how much issue mounting the scope from one to another will cause.

anyone know who makes a high quality set of quick release rings and bases?
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I find that bulky, high magnification scopes are a pain when the rifle you are carrying isn't the center of attention, i.e. when hunting. I had one high magnification scope and several rifles, almost all with their own hunting glass.

The problems I encountered were related to the refitting of rings and bases to all of my firearms because A) I'm cheap, B) standardizing on one ring height would mean compromising on ideal mount height, and C) it just couldn't be done with some of my rifles (BRNO, Sako).

The system I had chosen was Warne. Locally available and very sturdy. I just weighed a set of rings and a rail, though - 7.3 oz's. That's almost a half pound just on mounts.
 
Haagen_Dazs said:
My #1, no comprimise solution to this problem is buy a set of bore lasers (which should be easy for you if you plan on popular calibres like .308 and .223).


Remount the scope as per Magpul's direction then use the bore laser to fine tune your zero.


Pain in the ass sure but alot cheaper than several scopes.
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except the bore laser like any other bore sight DOESN'T WORK- you can use a boresighter to get you on the paper, but to hit a bull at a given distance- no way- all a lazer does if fire a beam of light down the barrel, it doesn't take the rifling, flight characteristics, or any of the other factors like when a round is fired
 
I have been doing this for a while now with 2 rem 700's one is .223 the other is .308 they both have ken farrell 10 moa rails on them and the scope is a nightforce nxs mounted in ken farrell rings. So far it has worked really well but i also use an AI stock on both rifles so eye relief is the same. when switching the scope to the other rifle as long as I dont change my load I have recorded the change and am usually zeroed, however I take a shot or two to confirm. So it is possible but what im finding is if I have the .223 set up and want to shoot .308 for the day it can be a bit of a pain.
 
good info guys, thanks. so it sounds like to make the matter simpler, i should stick with a common rifle, ie Remington 700, instead of multiple brands/models in order to standardize my mounting options. also a standard stock to maintain eye relief will be a good idea. guess i have a bit more research to do.

thanks for your help and suggestions. :)
 
If you use the same rifle, with the same action length, with the same mounting ring system set up on each rifle, and you sight each one in, and if you keep detailed records of that, and if your mounting system of choice allows you to torque your rings to your base with repeatable torque settings, then yes, this could work. - dan
 
Dan just summed up exactly what I do with my 2 rifles and here is a pic of one.
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try using leupold qd mounts on remmy 700s did it lots no problems but keep click count records some place you can find them.for awhile i was using 6 rifles with 4 scopes seems repeatable to about 1 moa so for real fussy work a range trip would be needed.
 
FlyingHigh said:
good info guys, thanks. so it sounds like to make the matter simpler, i should stick with a common rifle, ie Remington 700, instead of multiple brands/models in order to standardize my mounting options. also a standard stock to maintain eye relief will be a good idea. guess i have a bit more research to do.

thanks for your help and suggestions. :)
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No, you can use any rifle you want. What you NEED to standardise is the RAIL.

If you buy an EGW rail for a Savage, and an EGW rail for your Remmy, I can only imagine that you'll have ZERO issues.

I am going this route as well and have just purchased a LRMOA Sightron SIII 8-32x and am going to be putting up all my cheaper scopes on the EE.
 
greg11 said:
No, you can use any rifle you want. What you NEED to standardise is the RAIL.

If you buy an EGW rail for a Savage, and an EGW rail for your Remmy, I can only imagine that you'll have ZERO issues.

I am going this route as well and have just purchased a LRMOA Sightron SIII 8-32x and am going to be putting up all my cheaper scopes on the EE.
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Other than cheek weld / height issues, the lugs on the rings need to be touching the front edge of the rail slots. That means that the distance between the two slots being used must be absolutely identical on both rails. I won't say this is impossible, but generally manufacturers function within sets of tolerances. I don't know if there is a general picatinny standard that all manufacturers adhere to, or if it is internal to each manufacturer.
 
How about one rifle, multiple scopes? I swap a higher powered, target turret scope off my rifle and reinstall a lower powered, low profile turret scope when desirable. Sometimes you want a red dot or other low powered optics for fast shooting.
 
I have a few Sako's 75 SS and believe that their Optiloc's mounting system would allow one scope for multiple rifles with the same chamber length.

I will be trying this this spring and see if this will work.
 
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except the bore laser like any other bore sight DOESN'T WORK

"Yes it does, if you zero the rifle with real ammo and then use the laser as a reference for scope changes."

And don't forget you can also adjust your boresighter after you have confirmed zero for a half dozen rifles or so, in each spud size. - dan
 
greg11 said:
No, you can use any rifle you want. What you NEED to standardise is the RAIL.

If you buy an EGW rail for a Savage, and an EGW rail for your Remmy, I can only imagine that you'll have ZERO issues.

I am going this route as well and have just purchased a LRMOA Sightron SIII 8-32x and am going to be putting up all my cheaper scopes on the EE.
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ah. thanks for the clarification. :)
 
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