- Location
- Windsor, Ont
Has anyone ever had a transfer denied? I’ve never heard of any, and in that case what is actually involved in approving the transfer? Is it not just someone putting their stamp on it?
Ontario Has Reached A New Low...Backlog Low
- Thread starter Austen
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The CFO in Ontario is ####ed.
Should have seen the guys at the CFO's booth last weekend (Trappers Convention) when I strolled up and demanded a ATC because it was obvious Mr. Wyatt was out to get me and I needed protection.
The little guy with the earing went about 3 shades past red.
Twirp.
Should have seen the guys at the CFO's booth last weekend (Trappers Convention) when I strolled up and demanded a ATC because it was obvious Mr. Wyatt was out to get me and I needed protection.
The little guy with the earing went about 3 shades past red.
Twirp.
Precisely what I've been wondering... I can understand background checks if it's the first gun you've ever bought, but not on subsequent guns. Like a gunshop owner told me once "If you were gonna do something illegal, you would've done it with your first gun, not your fifth".
In Ontario, there is a relatively small number of individuals doing the transfers.
It is not well known that each individual is only required to process something in the order of a dozen or so transfers per day...despite the fact it often takes as little as a few minutes to actually complete the paperwork!
Most of those involved process a lot more...thank God!...but if your transfer ends up on the desk of one of those that 'abide by the rules', it can easily take 4 to 6 weeks!
I have had this confirmed...talked to one of the people, and they apologized when they informed me that my never-ending transfer was sitting on one of the 'snails' desks...they were on holiday!...but the transfer would have to wait as they cannot be reassigned.
Face it....we're stuck dealing with a hostile, government bureaucracy...and no amount of complaining, letter writing, or holding your breath is going to change it.
It is not well known that each individual is only required to process something in the order of a dozen or so transfers per day...despite the fact it often takes as little as a few minutes to actually complete the paperwork!
Most of those involved process a lot more...thank God!...but if your transfer ends up on the desk of one of those that 'abide by the rules', it can easily take 4 to 6 weeks!
I have had this confirmed...talked to one of the people, and they apologized when they informed me that my never-ending transfer was sitting on one of the 'snails' desks...they were on holiday!...but the transfer would have to wait as they cannot be reassigned.
Face it....we're stuck dealing with a hostile, government bureaucracy...and no amount of complaining, letter writing, or holding your breath is going to change it.
I disagree. If we had that attitude, women still wouldn't have the right to vote. Involve your opposition party and MPs if need be. Don't stop fighting until something is done about it. There is NO reason why transfers should take so long when in other provinces it's a non-issue.
- Location
- Northern Ontario
Just wondering...why they take so long for private transfers in ontario but only a week for dealer transfers...unless this has changed in the last month but my dealer purchase was done in 5 business days...
Call him back and say.. "since it's legally allowable to lend a restricted firearm to someone.. then issue me a short term ATT, so I can take it from my house to the range.."
If he says no.. then demand to know why not.. if they cannot accomidate you because of "how busy" they are.. then they can approve a TEMP att with takes 5 mins over the phone..
Actually the Ontario CFO has "decreed" that you can't lend restricted. You can get a short term ATT to get it to your house, but then your long term ATT won't cover it to take it to the range because it is not REGISTERED to your house. It is just being stored there.
This is just the way Ontario "interprets" the law.
This is one major change that is going to have to be made to the system across the country. Same Federal law yet vastly different implementation.
Actually No.. they are refusing to give you an ATT to lend a gun.. which is different from lending one.. the law clearly states that you can borrow it.. they just refuse to give you an att to take it to a range..
Actually, they don't look at it as "lending or borrowing" as it is still registered to the original owner. All that owner is doing is storing it at a different location. Nothing to do with lending or borrowing.
In Ontario you can't "borrow" a restricted. In the west, the CFO allows borrowing restricted as long as the registration is with the gun. That is NOT the case in Ontario.
You have to seperate out the act of "Borrowing" from the act of "Transporting" (the borrowed firearm somewhere).
You can lend someone a restricted firearm.. However the CFO (in ontario) does not want you to, and will not give you an ATT to transport it anywhere. The end result is the same, but it's not technically preventing the lending, only the transport of a lended firearm.
only firearms registered at the same address (so I can take my wifes restricted's to the range)
Thanks for the clarification.
This who lending thing, is stupid.. and in fact in my case, it worked AGAINST the CFO.. My wife has a club membership, and is a new shooter.. She can't get an ATT to borrow one of my guns and shoot it (on a night when I'm not home).. so the remedy, was to go out and buy her a one of her own.. now she borrow them all she wants..
If the CFO was trying to restrict the use, the result was the opposite, and ended up in more more gun being legally owned!!!!
We are actually talking about the same thing, just semantics. I have also had discussions with the CFO about similar situations, one of which was trying to "borrow" some of my father's restricteds. It depends on who at the CFO you talk to.
As for "at the same address" looks like my daughter is going to have to get a restricted for her ATT...
Why doesn't everyone just start a papertrail with each transfer to the CFO. After a couple of weeks have expired, copy the paper trail (dates and timelines) to the CFO and Stockwell Day. After a while I'm sure Stockwell will get sick of being hassled because the CFO wants to play games instead of doing his job.
- Location
- Outside the Wire....
Who's responsible for this? Which one you started the backlog?????
Sorry I have Seven in the queue.......Most from early Feb and March. My Para from Gunnar took about 2 weeks he seems to be able to get them through a little quicker. My private sales are over 6 weeks and counting.
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