Ontario primary moose draw opens today

Anyone notice the massive reductions in tags? I guess according to the ministry Moose are endangered in Ontario. That or the system is being run by a bunch of tree huggers.
 
I was looking at how many points required to draw a bull tag, many areas it’s over 20 and as high as 25!! Won’t be getting many’s tags in a lifetime. You must be willing to travel long distances if you require reduced numbers. I think many of the tags drawn in the second pool were not being purchased for groups to protect their area’s population? Changes made to generate the dollars. Cow/calf tags are stupid. Most will kill the cow, then the calf or calves has almost zero chance of surviving.
 
Longstud said:
I was looking at how many points required to draw a bull tag, many areas it’s over 20 and as high as 25!! Won’t be getting many’s tags in a lifetime. You must be willing to travel long distances if you require reduced numbers. I think many of the tags drawn in the second pool were not being purchased for groups to protect their area’s population? Changes made to generate the dollars. Cow/calf tags are stupid. Most will kill the cow, then the calf or calves has almost zero chance of surviving.
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Not true. I'm aware of one study about moose calves survival rate when the cow was killed during the fall. The winter survival rate was over 90%.
 
simonsez said:
Not true. I'm aware of one study about moose calves survival rate when the cow was killed during the fall. The winter survival rate was over 90%.
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Well you believe in your ONE STUDY what you want but the density of wolves in the area that I hunt would quickly prove otherwise. Im personally not going to kill a cow with calf or calves.
 
frogger said:
In my neck of the woods - NWO - they are usually all shot off a week or two before the season opens - mnrF never takes any of this data into account with their moose Survivability studies.
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I understand exactly where your going with this! Ive seen the remnants of this while scouting days ahead of the legal hunt date.
 
Another 99z application for me this year. Don’t have enough points to hunt anywhere even close to accessible for the amount of time off I get.

Ryan
 
SavageTRB said:
Anyone notice the massive reductions in tags? I guess according to the ministry Moose are endangered in Ontario. That or the system is being run by a bunch of tree huggers.
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The moose population has plunged considerably for a number of reasons. I'm sure they don't meet the "endangered" criteria yet, but they sure aren't doing well. Sorry you can't get a tag, but the reality is there is an awful lot of pressure on moose these days from a vast array of factors, hunting is just one of them, but if you want any left we can't keep tags at the levels they were.
Unfortunately, ticks, unregulated harvest, wolves, lack of forestry, spraying of roundup on forests, past legal overharvesting of cows/calf, etc have all taken there toll. Sucks, but that is the facts, whether you want to keep your head in the sand about it or not.
 
simonsez said:
Not true. I'm aware of one study about moose calves survival rate when the cow was killed during the fall. The winter survival rate was over 90%.
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I don't know how much credibility any study actually has nowadays.
Studies are intentionally done / carefully designed in order to get the results that the sponsor wants.
Calf survival rate is going to be influenced by a ton of factors that can not be well controlled "in the wild"
Age of the calf, severity of weather, predators and countless other factors.
 

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Anyone consider applying to a WMU outside of their home turf? I have 11 points and won't be drawing an adult tag in my WMU for another decade +.

I could apply to one of the more northern WMU's that requires single digit points to draw.

I may start implementing this strategy moving forward.
 
Northern Shooter said:
Anyone consider applying to a WMU outside of their home turf? I have 11 points and won't be drawing an adult tag in my WMU for another decade +.

I could apply to one of the more northern WMU's that requires single digit points to draw.

I may start implementing this strategy moving forward.
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I thought everyone did that... I have never just applied to my preferred area... I just apply to the units that give me the best odds of drawing... scouting new spots and seeing new country is most of the fun anyway.
 
hoytcanon said:
I thought everyone did that... I have never just applied to my preferred area... I just apply to the units that give me the best odds of drawing... scouting new spots and seeing new country is most of the fun anyway.
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Our group has hunted out of the same camp for the last 80+ years. The next Nearest WMU is a 1H+ drive. So we either decide to try our luck on crown land away from the camp, or take that long drive each morning from the home base.
 
Northern Shooter said:
Our group has hunted out of the same camp for the last 80+ years. The next Nearest WMU is a 1H+ drive. So we either decide to try our luck on crown land away from the camp, or take that long drive each morning from the home base.
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Camp guys might not want to hear it, but a canvas tent with a diesel heater, a quality cot with a thick pad is pretty darn comfortable.
 
Jimbobob08 said:
Camp guys might not want to hear it, but a canvas tent with a diesel heater, a quality cot with a thick pad is pretty darn comfortable.
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We do remote tent camps, we go in by water to get away from the crowds. A couple weeks in the bush without seeing other people is well worth applying to the remote units for tags.
 
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