Op Rod Guide Spring

I emailed 762mm Firearms for the shipping cost for one spring but the minimum order is $75.00 :(

haha owned

I'd be down with a new spring, as I hear it makes your action cycle smoothly. We have this dishwasher at work I swear it's from the 80's, and when you turn that thing on it's the anti-smooth, kind of like cycling a mosin that only has the cosmo cleaned off the outside. I'm not falling for that trick again :(

EDIT: Ok so I'm not always smooth myself, on New Years I was at the club and this girl showed up at 1:45am, so you know what that means, she was picking up drunks. I went to go dance with her, and possibly make out, but I stepped on a balloon and bailed, spilling my drink all over the place. Things went downhill from there and all I remember is waking up with my boots on, and I wore shoes that night.
 
I just ordered an M-305 Shorty from CanAm and I wanna do this operating rod guide and spring swap. I have a PM out to the M14 Doctor but havn't heard from him yet. So he just sells the op rod spring guide and not the spring right? If thats the case what is the best quality spring to buy that will work with the M14 Doc's spring guide?
 
The one from Brownells 817-000-074 is only $8.74... Has to be the stock one not the NM one ! Send a tell to Gothmog for the nm op rod he should be able to hook you up . :D
 
Op spring guide

How much is the M14 Doc's OP Rod Spring Guide? The one from Brownells 817-000-074 is only $8.74... not that I find that cheap or expensive, but I'm finding it hard to source a lot of these parts from Canadian places
I have mine from M14doc, 45.00 plus shipping, spring coming from Wolff Springs,maybe off here but 15.00 plus shipping to Canada.
I have been misled by the Brownells add.
Cheers
 
Brownell's had to cancel my op rod spring guide, but they were able to send the spring.

100-001-328 M14/M1A Spring Guide $38.99

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969-166-300 (Wolff Spring) is the best spring for a M14Doctor OP rod spring guide because Brownells has Springfield Armory springs in stock?

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=21475/psize=24/Product/OP-ROD-SPRING

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=21476/psize=24/Product/OP-ROD-SPRING-GUIDE

And what about this kit from Brownells

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=25478/sku=080-665-945/Product/M14-945

And this one with a hammer spring from Superior Shooting

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=25172/sku=840-000-037/Product/M1A-Op-Rod-Hammer-Spring-Set


i just received my op rod spring guide and op rod spring from brownells. I bought the 2 from the first 2 links posted. I would suggest the op rod spring but not the op rod spring guide. the springfield op rod spring guide looks identical to the norinco one but may be a **** hair thicker.
 
FWIW, this is what Lee Emerson has to say about Op Rod Springs in his book:

The USGI drawing B7267079 for the operating rod spring is illustrative of the detailed
requirements typical of M14 parts production. Some of the drawing B7267079
specifications are described below.
The operating rod spring material was 17-7 precipitation hardening stainless steel wire
per military specification Mil-W-46078 and manufactured under military specification Mil-
S-13572 Type 1 Grade B. This material was chosen for the operating rod spring in 1952
as part of the T44 rifle modifications. The physical dimension and performance
requirements were as follows: wire diameter equal to 0.054 " + or – 0.001 ", coil outside
diameter of 0.4575 " + or – 0.0025 ", free length of 15.23 ", a total of 104 coils, and the
direction of the helix must be right-hand wound with closed ends.
The operating rod spring formed by coiling cold drawn wire had to be heat treated as
follows: age hardened at 900 degrees Fahrenheit for one hour then air cooled. After that,
the operating rod spring was heat set by heating at 700 degrees Fahrenheit for twenty
minutes with the spring compressed to a length between 5.9 " and 6.0 ". Heat setting a
spring improves the stress relaxation during use. Age hardening is used to increase the
strength and hardness of manufactured parts made from certain alloys, e.g., copperberyllium
and 17-7 cold drawn stainless steel. Each material responds differently to the
age (precipitation) hardening process based on a combination of time, temperature and
the amount of cold drawing from the initial rod size into the final wire diameter.
Depending on the material, the toughness, corrosion resistance, fatigue strength,
electrical conductivity or thermal conductivity can be improved upon by stopping the
hardening procedure before or after the time needed to achieve maximum strength. By
age hardening and heat setting the operating rod spring, service life was significantly
increased.
The operating rod spring, like other compression coil springs, was designed with a given
spring rate. The spring rate, or stiffness, is defined as the amount of load (force) needed
to compress the spring one inch. The lower the spring rate the softer the spring. After the
operating rod spring had been heat treated and heat set it was compressed to solid
length three times and then load tested at several specific lengths. These tests verified
the operating rod spring met the design spring rate. The design spring rate for the M14
operating rod spring was 1.95. When the operating rod spring was compressed to a
length of 10.97 " the applied load had to equal 8.13 pounds + or – 0.81 pounds. When
the operating rod spring was compressed to 6.42 " the required load was 17.00 pounds +
or – 1.69 pounds.
When the operating rod spring was compressed to the minimum operating length it
measured about 7.19 " long with an applied load less than 16.00 pounds but sufficient to
engage the bolt lock. The USGI drawing B7267079 for the operating rod spring specified
a maximum length of 5.78 " for the solid compressed length. The design and
manufacturing process ensured the USGI M14 operating rod spring would function
properly for thousands of cycles. It also means that the minimum force necessary would
always be exerted on the operating rod spring guide, and consequently, the magazine full
of life sustaining ammunition. The M14 rifle enthusiast or collector should proceed with
caution when hearing the term “mil-spec” in casual conversation with such detailed
design, manufacturing and testing requirements for USGI M14 parts.

Based on this, I bought and compared four Op-Rod springs against the stock Norinco one in an M14Doc Spring Guide: Wolff Extra Power, David Tubbs, Springfield Armoury and USGI.

Although I did not keep detailed records as I was merely satisfying a curiosity, my findings, based on a couple of weeks of range trips, were:
1. All replacement springs were smoother than the Norinco one. Note that the difference is slight (at best) and the replacement springs made the action a hair more fluid.
2. The "smoothest" cycle was provided by the USGI followed closely by David Tubbs. Wolff seemed to rack with a little more force than the others and SA was a marginal improvement over stock.
3. The Wolff spring changed the extraction angle of the spent round from approx 65deg to 80deg. The others were within +5deg of stock. I am not sure if this has to do with them being "extra power" and if this is an issue or not - maybe someone more experienced can chime in.
4. All springs fit identically on the M14Doc spring guide with no kinks.
5. No failures of any kind with any spring. No difference in accuracy either :p

Finally, I ended up keeping the USGI and the David Tubbs springs. YMMV!
 
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