Opinions: ACR VS XCR

Had a generation 1 XCR and it was reliable. Really front heavy too. Accuracy was good. I'd like to handle the new ones with the key mod rail and light barrel.

I do have a non restrcicted ACR and it's front heavy too. It's got a geissele trigger in it and the thing is a fricking laser. I went out gopher hunting today and it amazed me again with its consistent accuracy.

I prefer the ACR
 
The ACR can be bought used for around $2000 then it's $550 for a Dlask non restricted length barrel which requires you to strip the gas system off your factory barrel. Then you need to take it in to a certified verifier and have it declassified which should cost around $60.
I can have a barrel built for anyone interested for approx $500, wait times are dependent on barrel blank availability though so don't expect me to be able to deliver in a couple weeks. It could take a couple months depending on how long it takes to get the blank.

Since you are changing the barrel it doesn't matter how many rounds the previous owner put through it.

Keep in mind that once you have it declassified the factory restricted length barrel is now illegal to re-install (even at the range) unless you call in and have the rifle re-registered so you may as well just try to sell it on the EE.

As long as you don't get a heavy profile barrel the balance of the ACR is very nice.
I have a Non restricted 223, 6.8SPC and 300 Blackout barrel for mine but am still waiting for parts for the 6.8 and I need to make a new op rod guide for the 300BLK barrel (hopefully done in about a week).

Bushmaster has been very slow with parts support and has been promising factory conversion kits since 2011 with nothing being delivered so don't hold your breath waiting for the non restricted version to show up. I personally have no interest in the new DMR version that is supposed to be coming. The PRS stock will just add weight as will the longer heavier profile barrel. Cutting the same quality blank two and a half inches longer and leaving it a heavier profile won't make it shoot any better than the current 16 inch barrel so don't expect sub moa groups from the new one either. Not saying the current 16 inch doesn't shoot well but the new DMR probably isn't going to shoot any better. It's going to be a tank.

I've shot quite a few XCR's and have never had any problems with the ones I've played with but have read quite a few posts from guys that have had problems. I've never found them to be overly muzzle heavy but the method used to attach the barrel doesn't impress me and is the primary reason that none of them seem to be able to make consistent groups. They are a decent rifle backed by great customer service from Wolverine so even if you do have problems at least you know you will be well taken care of.

Handle both of them and buy whichever one you like the best. They are both good rifles and each has their positives and negatives.
I prefer the ACR but I won't condemn the XCR based on a few posts on this site.
 
in Canada, can we have the muzzle device pinned and welded then verified to make it non restricted?
i'm thinking the stock one has gotta be at lest 2.5 inches long...... thoughts?
 
bigkid1980 said:
in Canada, can we have the muzzle device pinned and welded then verified to make it non restricted?
i'm thinking the stock one has gotta be at lest 2.5 inches long...... thoughts?
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No. Barrel length is measured as the distance of continuous barrel from the muzzle to the breech face. Adding an extension is not a permissible way to extend the barrel length of a firearm, regardless of how it is attached.
 
Blastattack said:
No. Barrel length is measured as the distance of continuous barrel from the muzzle to the breech face. Adding an extension is not a permissible way to extend the barrel length of a firearm, regardless of how it is attached.
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This is correct except if you have the barrel built with an integral muzzle device. If the flash hider or brake is machined from the barrel blank it is considered part of the barrel. I had a heavy target barrel for an AR which had a brake machined into the muzzle as it was built and it was included in the barrel length measurement and I've seen one ACR barel where a flash hider was machined in the end which was included. I think that was a Herron Arms barrel.
So, pinning and/or welding does not count but if it is machined in and is part of the barrel it does count.

The factory barrel can not be made non restricted in any way.
You can however use your factory barrel in an AR or try to sell it to offset the cost of the conversion to non restricted.
 
cr5 said:
This is correct except if you have the barrel built with an integral muzzle device. If the flash hider or brake is machined from the barrel blank it is considered part of the barrel. I had a heavy target barrel for an AR which had a brake machined into the muzzle as it was built and it was included in the barrel length measurement and I've seen one ACR barel where a flash hider was machined in the end which was included. I think that was a Herron Arms barrel.
So, pinning and/or welding does not count but if it is machined in and is part of the barrel it does count.

The factory barrel can not be made non restricted in any way.
You can however use your factory barrel in an AR or try to sell it to offset the cost of the conversion to non restricted.
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Hence why I said continuous barrel and not continuous rifling. You could very legally counter-bore your barrel until is has no rifling left, as long as the barrel itself remains over the legal limits.
 
cr5 said:
This is correct except if you have the barrel built with an integral muzzle device. If the flash hider or brake is machined from the barrel blank it is considered part of the barrel. I had a heavy target barrel for an AR which had a brake machined into the muzzle as it was built and it was included in the barrel length measurement and I've seen one ACR barel where a flash hider was machined in the end which was included. I think that was a Herron Arms barrel.
So, pinning and/or welding does not count but if it is machined in and is part of the barrel it does count.

The factory barrel can not be made non restricted in any way.
You can however use your factory barrel in an AR or try to sell it to offset the cost of the conversion to non restricted.
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.. because criminals are too stupid to shorten a barrel with a hacksaw, right? Liberal logic.
 
knock-knock said:
I've yet to see that myself... $2300 is a more realistic number.
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Learn to haggle :)
I picked up mine with Geissele trigger and 12 inch barrel for $2200.
My buddy just picked one up off the EE for $2000.
Asking price is usually around $2300 and I found a retailer in Edmonton that will match IRUNGUNS price of $2500 for a new one.
 
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na1lb0hm said:
argh ninja edit.

Muzzle extensions cannot be classed as part of barrel length. Barrel definition says "have rifling"
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Not according to the CFO when I called to transfer my AR to it's new owner. As Blastattack said, "continuous barrel". Rifling doesn't matter as long as it's one continuous piece.

superlative,
Exactly. criminals would never cut down a barrel or remove a rivet because that would be illegal and criminals would never break the law. Better to make rules that only effect the law abiding. :rolleyes:
 
na1lb0hm said:
argh ninja edit.

Muzzle extensions cannot be classed as part of barrel length. Barrel definition says "have rifling"
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Negatron. If your muzzle device is built into the barrel, IE the barrel and muzzle device are a single contiguous piece, then the rifled barrel and the muzzle device both count in the actual barrel length.
 
cr5 said:
Not according to the CFO when I called to transfer my AR to it's new owner. As Blastattack said, "continuous barrel". Rifling doesn't matter as long as it's one continuous piece.

superlative,
Exactly. criminals would never cut down a barrel or remove a rivet because that would be illegal and criminals would never break the law. Better to make rules that only effect the law abiding. :rolleyes:
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I really must read the whole thread. lmao
 
I have tried both, xcr was ok, not that accurate, acr was fantastic. I was shooting the centers out of clay targets at 100 yds. Based on those shooting range tryouts, acr all the way.
 
Moe said:
Hi end NR rifle... Have you considered an SL8. With some work it can be a nice rifle. A bit expensive after mods but nice.
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Also a good option but I had $4000 into mine when I sold it.
The SL8 couldn't offer the multi cal quick change that my ACR does though so I let it go. The SL8 is definitely the most accurate 223 semi auto I've owned or shot other than a high end AR.
I've got close to $4000 into my NR ACR to have 3 calibers though so the multi cal comes at a price.
 
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cr5 said:
Learn to haggle :)
I picked up mine with Geissele trigger and 12 inch barrel for $2200.
My buddy just picked one up off the EE for $2000.
Asking price is usually around $2300 and I found a retailer in Edmonton that will match IRUNGUNS price of $2500 for a new one.
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X2 - a used 'enhanced' ACR should run around 2k - that's also what I paid for mine. Plus $550 for Dlask to de-restrict it, and it's around the price of a new XCR.
 
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