Opinions on WBY Vanguard series 2 (On sale)

From the Weatherby website -

Why are some Weatherby rifles “free floated” and some are not?
We have found through our testing that barrels having a smaller outside diameter than our #3 contour require upward pressure to help stabilize the barrel for increased accuracy. Our free floated barrels have enough rigidity in the barrel for them to be free floated.

The Vanguard's (mostly) have a number 2 contour barrel and if the guys who designed the thing say not to free float it, I will take their word for it.

I have four VGII's and three of them, my 243, 25.06 and 7.08 all shoot sub-moa with the "cheapest factory ammo on the shelf" (Federal blue box soft points or Hornady American Whitetail). My 257 Wby is sub-moa as well but "eats a more expensive dinner" if I buy it off the shelf :)


 
inthehizzy said:
.270 is suitable for just about anything in NA. Use a proper bullet, place a proper shot.

This "must have magnum" hysteria is getting a bit ridiculous.
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Now this is absolute crap............the 270 Win is an adequate deer cartridge but is most certainly not a good all around NA critter cartridge.........this kind of rhetoric only comes from someone who has never hunted all NA game...........JEEEEEZZZZZEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
This 270 Win is good for everything is getting more than a little ridiculous..........
 
inthehizzy said:
.270 is suitable for just about anything in NA. Use a proper bullet, place a proper shot.
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Remove big bear and bison from the list and I agree with this.

Fact is that very few of us here do hunt ALL NA game (myself incl.), most being deer, moose, elk and black bear. That in mind, the 270 with good bullets is a very good choice for this list of game, esp in 99% of the lower ten.
 
c-fbmi said:
Now this is absolute crap............the 270 Win is an adequate deer cartridge but is most certainly not a good all around NA critter cartridge.........this kind of rhetoric only comes from someone who has never hunted all NA game...........JEEEEEZZZZZEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
This 270 Win is good for everything is getting more than a little ridiculous..........
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If you use a solid copper or bonded bullet, it will take anything we have. It's a 7mm bore with performance very close to the 7mm REM mag. Hell Roy Weaterby shot a cape buffalo with the measly 257Wby....
 
galamb said:
From the Weatherby website -

Why are some Weatherby rifles “free floated” and some are not?
We have found through our testing that barrels having a smaller outside diameter than our #3 contour require upward pressure to help stabilize the barrel for increased accuracy. Our free floated barrels have enough rigidity in the barrel for them to be free floated.

The Vanguard's (mostly) have a number 2 contour barrel and if the guys who designed the thing say not to free float it, I will take their word for it.

I have four VGII's and three of them, my 243, 25.06 and 7.08 all shoot sub-moa with the "cheapest factory ammo on the shelf" (Federal blue box soft points or Hornady American Whitetail). My 257 Wby is sub-moa as well but "eats a more expensive dinner" if I buy it off the shelf :)
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My Howa .223 will shoot 3 rounds with the holes touching... It's FF with a Hogue stock from the factory.
My .243 Vanguard S2 with flamer S1 stock shoots a little looser, still under MOA but not as tight as the .223.
Next is a Howa 6.5x55 FF Hogue which shoots about the same as the .243, under an inch but not touching.
The S2 Vanguard S2 stock in 257Wby was stringing like crazy once the barrel warmed up, which is like 2 rounds. It would throw rounds 5 inches left from the cold bore shots. Narrowed it down to the front section that the barrel sits on being uneven from the molding. I initially filed it down with the intention of bedding that section to the barrel, then thought what the hell, the Howas shoot as good or better FF, and this thing gets so hot, any barrel contact probably isn't going to help with follow up shots so I cleaned the center channel up too. Now I can put 3 into an inch, then light a cigarette off the barrel and and smoke it while I let it cool off lol.
Just my experience anyway. And if it shoots good with the pressure point, don't go messing with it....leave it be!
 
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c-fbmi said:
Now this is absolute crap............the 270 Win is an adequate deer cartridge but is most certainly not a good all around NA critter cartridge.........this kind of rhetoric only comes from someone who has never hunted all NA game...........JEEEEEZZZZZEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
This 270 Win is good for everything is getting more than a little ridiculous..........
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Are you about done with all your histrionics? Feel free to respectfully disagree, but with your screaming capital letters and exclamation points, you sound foolish.

As others have pointed out, with a stout bonded bullet or a monolithic, and as I stated originally, with proper shot placement, the .270 is more than adequate for "just about" any game in NA. Did I say "all"? No, I did not.

As for my "rhetoric" and your knee jerk assumptions, again, you sound foolish.
 
I grabbed one in .243. :)

WSS guy wasn't very friendly though, which was annoying. constantly cutting me off mid-sentence and semi-offensive with how blunt he said 'we can't do that' rule when I was going to have it shipped to work since I'm not at home to receive. big company, corporate rules, fair enough. everyone else ships to my work though.
 
I don't like WSS because they charge me PST when I order from them and I'm in Quebec. Not a single other out of province shop does that.
 
No need to argue folks, we are all friends here :) And is somewhat of a Moot point anyhow as i will not be hunting Big Bear (Only the small ones haha) or Bison anyhow. But i can see how it is a "Hot topic", plenty of threads out there on the "best caliber". .270 seemed a very appropriate 1st Caliber to me, especially for my intended uses plus the fact i've never had a reason to shoot past 100 yrds (I have only Hunted small game until now but that will change this year).

And you're right about WSS charging both taxes although they are not the only ones.
 
savagecanuck said:
We we're out last weekend with 5 s2,s .1 in 270 2 243,s and 2 223. The 243 and 270 heat up a lot quicker than the 223.The 270 shot moa at 100yds with federal blue box 130g. It also shot good with 130g SST. The 243 seems to prefer federal blue box 100g also shooting moa. The 223,s are sub moa with a lot of different rounds. I actually had a sub moa group with federal AR 55g fmj at 200yds. No problem hitting a pop can @300yds. The triggers came at about 2.75lbs on them. Talley makes a decent ring that bolts right on too the receiver, better than bases and separate rings. I paid $399 for a flamer last fall. The most we paid was $525 .WSS has great clearance prices on them.
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Good to know about the heat issue. Though this should not be a problem as this rifle will not be much of a paper shooter aside from initial outings to find favorite Ammo and zero a scope (which i will be needing to buy as well as i only have a rimfire scope)
 
My Howa 1500 is partial to handloads of 130gr. Hornady GMX's behind IMR 8208XBR (prev. Varget) and CCI BR200 primers in Winchester brass. Has been good enough for one-shot 'bang/flop' of moose, elk, pronghorn, mule deer, whitetail and boar. YMMV. Good luck.
 
inthehizzy said:
My Howa 1500 is partial to handloads of 130gr. Hornady GMX's behind IMR 8208XBR (prev. Varget) and CCI BR200 primers in Winchester brass. Has been good enough for one-shot 'bang/flop' of moose, elk, pronghorn, mule deer, whitetail and boar. YMMV. Good luck.
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I'll keep this in mind. i don't handload but my buddy does, it may come in handy but i'd imagine no gun is created equal? I'm sure it took lots of testing for you to find the right recipe ( yay for me lol)
 
Personally, the transition was gradual, but in my case, I eventually migrated from cup/core to bonded projectiles for CXP2 out of personal preference and monolithics for CXP3. "No gun is created equal" is subjective, but certainly every firearm, even fresh from the factory floor, is 'different' and individual shooters significantly more so. It's been preached on CGN more times than can be recounted but sample a variety of ammo suitable for your application and your firearm and hit the range. There is no substitute for lots of trigger time.
 
inthehizzy said:
My Howa 1500 is partial to handloads of 130gr. Hornady GMX's behind IMR 8208XBR (prev. Varget) and CCI BR200 primers in Winchester brass. Has been good enough for one-shot 'bang/flop' of moose, elk, pronghorn, mule deer, whitetail and boar. YMMV. Good luck.
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Maybe I missed what chambering this is can you tell me as I'm not sure if its 7-08 or 308 ??
 
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