opinions please on the 358 Win

Yes and to be honest.... Regardless of all myths etc, I have found the fast movers, even the "lowly" .308, left deer at less than 50 yards to continue grazing until they realized they were dead...... While 12 gauge slugs and a 50 cal muzzleloader picked up a deer and deposited it dead in a new zip code.........

Basically, the bullet was going too fast to expand?
 
How can a bullet fail to expand because velocity is too high?

No offence intended Brad

None taken bud.....

Every projectile has a "rate of expansion" ..... And resistance is what makes a bullet expand...... And resistance is a product of the density of the medium it enters and the speed it enters the medium at.......
 
In theory, and we all have them........... But in my experience, based on entry and exit, it didn't realize it's full potential.... Put it that way.......

In theory, the bullet was going too fast to expand and didn't realize it's full potential when it impacted the animal at close range. Cool.
 
In theory, the bullet was going too fast to expand and didn't realize it's full potential when it impacted the animal at close range. Cool.

Yep.... Theories suck...... Can only speak of experience...... Every time time I delivered a slow moving pill at short range, VS a fast moving one, the results were more "immediate"........
 
Do you think that is because the .358 is more popular than the 300WSM? :)
Used 358s always sell fast. There must be some people out there that appreciate them. :)

This whole debate is more about hunting style, hunting locations and the chamberings and bullet weights that work well within those conditions.
 
Used 358s always sell fast. There must be some people out there that appreciate them. :)

This whole debate is more about hunting style, hunting locations and the chamberings and bullet weights that work well within those conditions.

Exactly..... I can understand why someone out west would require smaller and faster, but the understanding doesn't seem to work in reverse in this case......
 
Oh nice, because I'm constantly presented with shots past 250-300 I'm not a hunter. (Just got back from touring around, saw a whitetail buck and a muley buck, both in the 300,400 range.)

There's a reason the Gunstores aren't full to the brim with .358, let me guess...everyone else is doing it wrong?

The gunstores aren't full of .28 Noslers and .22 TTH's either... the further you move from a standard .30 cal, the more "niche" the cartridge is, which has nothing to do with it's viability.

And you and Hoyt are constantly "knockin" anyone with a different view...

Whoa, Hoss... that the way you read this... I'm "knockin" opinion? All I have done here is give my opinion on the OP's question... while you are acting like an angry little man that some people are not agreeing with you.
 
My .358 Win. made by H. Dumoulin, Belgium on an FN Mauser 98 action sometime between 1955 and 1965. All hand-fitted with the serial number on all parts. 3-pos. safety. Fine checkering. Very light rifle: with steel bases and steel rings holding a Swarovski 4x scope it still only weighs 7.5 lb. I shoot .358 because I own this rifle. Sometimes it happens that way.

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Why? Do you think the 28 will bounce off? Or is this one of these "meat damage" concerns that are easily addressed by bullet selection, shot placement and trimming a bit of meat?

I've shot bear and deer under 30 yards with bullets going 3500fps and they didn't destroy excess meat.

Gate what would be your 1st choice of bullet?

My choice 1st would be a TTSX.
But I respect your experience...
 
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Used 358s always sell fast. There must be some people out there that appreciate them. :)

I think there is a name for these people. I think it starts with F Laugh2

This whole debate is more about hunting style, hunting locations and the chamberings and bullet weights that work well within those conditions.

Well,. I'm definitely learning some things.

BC has a wide variety of hunting terrain, and often you are in different situations in the same day. So hunters tend to gravitate towards versatile cartridges like the .270,. 7RM, .308, 30-06, 300 magnums etc. So when they are hunting the thick bush present in much of BC, where shots are likely to be under 50 yards, they are going to be carrying their regular hunting rifle.

I've learned that these guys are doing it all wrong, because these cartridges will:

  • Cause bullets to go too fast to expand at close range
  • Destroy the carcass with these non expanding bullets
  • Not have the "knockdown power" to kill a deer fast enough

It's been quite a learning experience. :)
 
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