Optic for 14.5 ar15

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Hey guys i hâve a standard 14 inch ar 15 and i am looking for an optic .

Something that can do both 3 gun compétitions and I CAN have fun with up to 200 yards at the range

I am specifically looking at the Bushnell ar optics models

The 1-4x32 and the 3-12x40.

M'y main question is would thé 1-4 be enough for longer Ranges and would the x12 be perfect or overkill for my gun
 
We need to make this a sticky or something, cause this is probably the fifth thread of it's type current this week.
At least for CQB stuff and up to 100Yds. or even 200Yds. most CGNer's are recommending a 1x4 power being al you need, even to 300Yds. (with video to back it up). Almost every response I have read on CGN mentions keeping 1xpower for the CQB drills/events etc. and using 4x power or even 6x or 7x power for the farther shots.
 
The 1-4 scopes are heavy, bulky, and throw the balance of a carbine off...I might put one on an hbar rifle.
I prefer small and light on a carbine....Aimpoint micro or Eotech. Guys shoot 600m with irons...you should be fine to 200m with a dot...
 
Ok I'm in the same position and have narrowed it down to the Nikon M223 or the Bushnell AR Optic. Both in 1-4. I'm seriously considering the Nikon because the 1 inch tube will keep things small and light on the rifle.

I'd like to go "better" but this is my price range right now.

My thoughts are the Nikon will have better glass, overall smaller size, and is 4 oz lighter. Realistically I'm not shooting at night so I shouldn't need the 30mm tube.

The Bushnell is a 30 mm tube with FFP Reticle, illuminated but I'm fairly sure the glass won't be near the Nikons. It's also bigger and heavier.

Thoughts?
 
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Bolivar said:
I say go 1-4. Lots of magnification for 200 yards. I recommend the 1x for 3 gun type stuff.
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Some of the 3 gun in the US shoots out to 500yards. That is why variable power optic is partly driven by the competition world.

4X is the maximum you need to shoot at 6" targets at 200m. As a matter of fact, you can shoot aimpoint with 2MOA dot but it will be difficult for some people, especially those with aging or imperfect eye sight. However, once you get over 200m and the target size becomes non-standard, the holdover is a bit more tricky.

3-12X is way too much. That is a 300m to 800m optic. Your M4 cannot even take advantage of it.

The typical AR is, in all practicality 2 MOA system at best and on average with good ammo, a match AR is more like a 1 MOA shooting match ammo. In reality they are not going to put targets smaller than 2MOA over at 200m. I also doubt that anyone will put a 2MOA target at 300m for a non-precision rifle type match because most people cannot detect and compensate a shift of wind in less than 1 MOA on the run, so a 2MOA target at 300m is not realistic for quick gunning with 223/556. So 1-4X will be enough for most scenarios but 6X will be easier for many people, especially for the 500m shots.
 
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Hitzy said:
The 1-4 scopes are heavy, bulky, and throw the balance of a carbine off...I might put one on an hbar rifle.
I prefer small and light on a carbine....Aimpoint micro or Eotech. Guys shoot 600m with irons...you should be fine to 200m with a dot...
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Yup small and light... irons with 7.5" barrel for 3-gun!!!
 
I have the Hi-lux CMR on my 14.5" AR. For $400 in my opinion it can't be beat, great glass, great reticle, zero stop turrets, illuminated reticle as well.

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plinker 777 said:
Why is your front sight not in align with the scope? I don't mean co-witness, but rather I would expect the verticals to be in alignment?
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They are actually aligned when you look through it, just looks mis aligned because I didn't have the camera properly centred when I took the picture. As gunnerlove said, it's parallax error.
 
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A 3x to 12x scope is far bigger, heavier and awkward than a 1x to 4x though. Mind you, scoping any SMG sized rifle is a waste of time and money. Red dots must have smaller dots than 2 or 3 MOA too. A 2 MOA dot will cover the entire black on a standard target. Likely the whole target at 200.
 
sunray said:
A 3x to 12x scope is far bigger, heavier and awkward than a 1x to 4x though. Mind you, scoping any SMG sized rifle is a waste of time and money. Red dots must have smaller dots than 2 or 3 MOA too. A 2 MOA dot will cover the entire black on a standard target. Likely the whole target at 200.
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Do you look your posts over before hitting submit? Because you should. 2MOA is ~4" at 200, hardly something that will cover the whole target.
 
sunray said:
A 3x to 12x scope is far bigger, heavier and awkward than a 1x to 4x though. Mind you, scoping any SMG sized rifle is a waste of time and money. Red dots must have smaller dots than 2 or 3 MOA too. A 2 MOA dot will cover the entire black on a standard target. Likely the whole target at 200.
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Reddot optics are not designed or intended for precision shooting nor extended ranges. They were designed for making rapid shots/hits on humans at short to intermediate ranges. They can do the job at distance but its far from ideal.

Tdc
 
TDC said:
Reddot optics are not designed or intended for precision shooting nor extended ranges. They were designed for making rapid shots/hits on humans at short to intermediate ranges. They can do the job at distance but its far from ideal.

Tdc
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Agreed, red dots are adequate for man sized targets out to 300m, not ideal, but they get the job done.
 
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