Optics Recommendations for a Colt LE6920?
- Thread starter Herakles
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I think TDC is asking about your shooting style that the rifle will be used for ie, 3gun, long range, CQB etc.
Have to agree with this. Got both an Aimpoint Comp3 and an Eotech XPS2-2 and discovered I really like the 1MOA dot of the Eotech vs the 2MOA dot of the Aimpoint. And the 3X magnification works great with both. Since I put them on I have never taken them off. Work great for 100 and 200 yards. Anything further you may need a scope.
I would go with a BAC ACOG, if you can afford the price tag. But that's just me and I'll take a minute to explain my personal opinion on why I think Red Dots, barring competition use and CQB situations, are a waste of money.
Red dot sights are great, they work and do so amazingly if you are a SWAT operative or a CQB Comp shooter where that split second TA difference can mean something, otherwise in my opinion they offer very little more than your iron sights already do.
M4 is a battle rifle and I will treat it so when it comes to picking an optic. Running optics on the battlefield can either give you an advantage or put you at a disadvantage. The major disadvantage of any magnified optic is narrowing your field of vision which translates to slower target acquisition, specially when it comes to moving targets. BAC ACOG rectifies that by allowing you to aim with both eyes open. It's not a hard technique to learn and once you master it you will not go back red dots.
Now if you just want a nice red dot to put it on your M4 and have fun at the range, shooting at 100 yard targets, then all the power to you, you can pick an EOTECH or Aimpoint one up for a price or go with Burris and you won't be disappointed. But if my life ever depended on a rifle, to hunt with otherwise, I would always pick an ACOG 4x BAC. Speaking of which I need to buy a new one and I don't know who deals them in Toronto.
Red dot sights are great, they work and do so amazingly if you are a SWAT operative or a CQB Comp shooter where that split second TA difference can mean something, otherwise in my opinion they offer very little more than your iron sights already do.
M4 is a battle rifle and I will treat it so when it comes to picking an optic. Running optics on the battlefield can either give you an advantage or put you at a disadvantage. The major disadvantage of any magnified optic is narrowing your field of vision which translates to slower target acquisition, specially when it comes to moving targets. BAC ACOG rectifies that by allowing you to aim with both eyes open. It's not a hard technique to learn and once you master it you will not go back red dots.
Now if you just want a nice red dot to put it on your M4 and have fun at the range, shooting at 100 yard targets, then all the power to you, you can pick an EOTECH or Aimpoint one up for a price or go with Burris and you won't be disappointed. But if my life ever depended on a rifle, to hunt with otherwise, I would always pick an ACOG 4x BAC. Speaking of which I need to buy a new one and I don't know who deals them in Toronto.
Acogs are great but they still suffer from several issues. They have limited eye relief which a reddot does not. Acogs suck at ranges closer than 50 yards/metres and are slower than a reddot for such work. They weigh more, cost more and suffer when going from bright to dark areas. The only advantages over a reddot(depending on acog model) is the magnification, lack of battery dependence and a graduated reticle.
Tdc
Tdc
ACOGs are not perfect, to me, their only down side is CQB target acquisition. Like I said if he was only going to shoot at distances under 100 yards, he should most likely get a red dot.
Then again there is always this:
With red dot and back up iron sights on the side
Ugh ... you never make enough money when you are a gunny.
Then again there is always this:
With red dot and back up iron sights on the side
Ugh ... you never make enough money when you are a gunny.
A reddot atop an optic is a bad idea. Mechanical offset sucks already, mounting an optic higher only adds to the problem. A reddot is for shorter distance work where offset is a bigger issue. Add in the absence of a cheek weld and you're neck deep in a SH!t setup.
If the acog is as versatile as you say there's no need for the reddot.
Tdc
If the acog is as versatile as you say there's no need for the reddot.
Tdc
I would personally never buy this(with the red dot), I posted that just for comic relief. I have used and will continue to use the ones with back up iron sights. I can easily aim at targets under 50 yards with both eyes open using an ACOG. The only firearm I would consider using a red dot on would be a shotgun.
I'll reiterate this again, your choice of optics is directly relevant to your philosophy of use, training, personal preference and budget. If I were to identify, engage and neutralize targets in an open combat situation, I'd pick ACOG all day. Unless I were given a red got and a magnifier. Which would mean maintaining 2 pieces of optics, which might seem like no big deal at the local range but it is a big factor otherwise. If I was to do room sweeps then I'd just go with a shotgun. All that being said, is ACOG perfect? no. Is for him? I don't know. Should he go with a red dot? Probably yes.
I'll reiterate this again, your choice of optics is directly relevant to your philosophy of use, training, personal preference and budget. If I were to identify, engage and neutralize targets in an open combat situation, I'd pick ACOG all day. Unless I were given a red got and a magnifier. Which would mean maintaining 2 pieces of optics, which might seem like no big deal at the local range but it is a big factor otherwise. If I was to do room sweeps then I'd just go with a shotgun. All that being said, is ACOG perfect? no. Is for him? I don't know. Should he go with a red dot? Probably yes.
I agree that a dot and magnifier brings its own issues. A reddot is more than capable to 200 yards with ease. Any magnification at short range sucks, its why reddots are so prevalent and the fact they're easier/faster to use than irons. Acogs are workable but they just don't offer the speed and advantages of a reddot.
Tdc
I appreciate hearing from both of your perspectives, acog vs red dot, this is a new area for me and I appreciate all the info y'all are giving. I don't think I'll be shooting past over 200-300 yards. So the magnification from an acog might be a little much. Now if I'm going red dot, I've heard different things about aim point and eotech. Since I feel like it's that route, I just want something with a good field of view. Would a reflex red dot sight be any good?
Reflex or collamitor(sp?) it doesn't matter. Reddot optics are to be shot with both eyes open so your field of view remains constant. I used to be an eotech guy but aimpoint is my choice now. Smaller, lighter, better battery life and far better qc.
Tdc
Tdc
The Aimpoint PRO is a solid choice and an excellent value. Little heavier than the Aimpoint Micro series but a very good optic at a reasonable price.
TDC
