ORA SR in Ottawa

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Would like to get some clarification on what's going on in Ottawa.

Despite being told the ORA was not running any SR in Ottawa there were two SR competitions in Ottawa this summer run by the ORA. July 9/10 and Aug 6/7.

Only reservists attended. They paid $40 each to the ORA rep. They were given ORA medals for those that placed first.

The actual members of the ORA (those civies who paid in full) were told these were military only matches. But then how come the ORA ran the match just like previous years? And why did the reservists have to pay $40 to the ORA if it was a military only match? I think once you charge a fee it's your competition. Someone explain if I am wrong on this.

A lot of questions. Doubly confusing is that the ORA released a new guest policy this year that said no guests were allowed to shoot ORA matches. These reservists that paid $40 are not full members as far as I know.

With all the complaints about Borden range time being taken away, if Connaught was made available then why wouldn't they have allowed it's own members, who paid for an annual membership, to compete? And if they were allowing reservists to come on and pay as guests then why not allow other guests the same opportunity?

Thoughts?
 
Ganderite said:
I heard that the military will not allow soldiers to compete alongside civilians. Hence their own special match.

Might just be a rumour.
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This above. I have heard this is the case. In regard to the guest policy the ORA runs the SR matches to support the CF troops and as an added benefit Civies can also compete in them on a different day. How this works with guest policy I am not sure.
 
ORA running matches to support the military? I would hope their NCOs and Officers know how to train their own soldiers and run a match.

But besides that - shouldn't the ORA run matches to support their own paying members instead, or at the same time?

I can say that in speaking with the guys, and the ones that shot those matches, they were actually looking forward to us coming out and shooting with them. They were disappointed we were not there. So this is but a rumour.
 
sledge said:
ORA running matches to support the military? I would hope their NCOs and Officers know how to train their own soldiers and run a match.

But besides that - shouldn't the ORA run matches to support their own paying members instead, or at the same time?

I can say that in speaking with the guys, and the ones that shot those matches, they were actually looking forward to us coming out and shooting with them. They were disappointed we were not there. So this is but a rumour.
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The Army can run a match. The ORA can run a match faster, smoother and use less resources.

The ORA gets use of DND ranges. In return we offer our expertise to support military training and matches. It is a resource that some units accept and exploit. Others chose not to. Their choice.

I recall spending a day with a unit, helping them get ready for their qualification shoot. Everyone qualified. That was a first. As an experienced shooter, I had a better idea of how important a good zero was.
 
tiriaq said:
Does this mean that civvies and CF personnel will not be shooting together at NSCC?
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Exactly, if that rumor was true then the military wouldn't be coming to NSCC and they wouldn't be "hiring the ORA to teach them how to shoot". Which I don't believe either because the CF has amazing shooters, instructors, and most of the winners of SR comps are either CF or ex-CF. You can't have it both ways (ORA has this support mandate, but they don't want to shoot besides us).
 
Ganderite said:
The Army can run a match. The ORA can run a match faster, smoother and use less resources.

The ORA gets use of DND ranges. In return we offer our expertise to support military training and matches. It is a resource that some units accept and exploit. Others chose not to. Their choice.

I recall spending a day with a unit, helping them get ready for their qualification shoot. Everyone qualified. That was a first. As an experienced shooter, I had a better idea of how important a good zero was.
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I thought the mandate of the DCRA/ORA was to assist civilians with marksmanship, not the military?
 
If the ORA Service Rifle organizers chose, matches limited to CF, Girls Guides or Pokémon characters could be organized.
If matches are not being run for ORA members, this could be an issue.
If any ORA members have concerns about how things are being run, contacting the ORA Executive might be a better choice than discussion on CGN.
 
I do plan on contacting the executive, but ORA members NEED to know what is going on too. This is why I posted it. I basically found out by accident when one of the army guys asked why I wasn't at the shoots this summer at Connaught.
 
Bolivar said:
The no military at civilan matches is a Borden thing only. New this year (at least the first time I've seen it applied)

As for mandate, if the ORA had no mandate related to the CF, why would they be given access to ranges?
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So when you posted on these forums, earlier this year, that there were no SR matches in Ottawa in 2016 was that really the case? You didn't say there were military-only SR matches. Had you said that then we would have had a few months to contact the executive and try to get it changed.
 
tiriaq said:
Does this mean that civvies and CF personnel will not be shooting together at NSCC?
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Civvies and military will still be shooting together at NSCC this year. Heading out there tomorrow for SR. SR at Borden this year was split into two days. The matches I shot was setup that Saturday was military and Sunday was for civvies. Both groups competed for the same pool of medals even though we shot on different days.
 
It's too bad as I think it was really great what we had going on for SR at Connaught.
The civies and Military had a good relationship so I can only assume it had something to do with politics.
The way things are going, for whatever the reason, it's not good in terms of future AR ownership.
SR was one of the main reasons we were allowed to own the AR platform.
 
I am sure that DCRA will still keep pulling for us to able to do this. By having good relationship between ora and CF in terms of being able to help whichever way we can this reinforces that bond.
 
Forget all these rumors about the CF having a problem with us shooting with them. That is not the case. They were not the ones stopping us from shooting at Connaught. We are shooting NSCC right now with them.
We have a very very good relationship with the CF reserves here in Ottawa.

I 100% agree if we don't use it we stand to lose it.
 
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