Oriental IPSCers

pmt said:
hungrybeagle said:
No offense, Bartledan (and no offense to Tan), but there's no way a Production division shooter will crack the top 15 if you counted overall scores with Space Guns and Standard Guns thrown into the mix.
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Don't tell that to David Sevigny.
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Sorry, I was referring to Canadians only. I've fallen into the trap that Torontians always seem to fall into, thinking that the world revolves around their little piece of the pond and nobody else matters.
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I'm not getting into the racial side of things, BUT reflexes can be trained. You can improve your response time through dedicated training, and attention to detail.

So the comments about discipline are not that far off base.

Sure there are people with naturally fast reflexes who don't need to work on it, it just happens. But many many people have the potential to do as well through the right sort of training.
 
hungrybeagle said:
No offense, Bartledan (and no offense to Tan), but there's no way a Production division shooter will crack the top 15 if you counted overall scores with Space Guns and Standard Guns thrown into the mix.
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Hmmm... these are the results from the nationals with Prod and Std thrown together (names have been removed to protect the guilty :lol: )

1 1577.2058 100.00% B, Mike (STD)
2 1538.5839 97.55% R, Ivan (STD)
3 1446.6774 91.72% S, Wade (STD)
4 1431.5155 90.76% S, Pascal (STD)
5 1405.0206 89.08% M, Cliff (PRD)
6 1387.5930 87.98% O, Manuel (STD)
7 1375.4781 87.21% D, Mike (STD)
8 1288.2078 81.68% H, Sean (STD)
9 1257.1036 79.70% Li, Mats (STD)
10 1250.4602 79.28% E, Robert (PRD)
11 1247.4580 79.09% L, Mike (STD)
12 1235.9897 78.37% M, Clint (PRD)
13 1234.6217 78.28% R, Stephen (STD)
14 1222.5439 77.51% K, Michael (STD)
15 1217.0831 77.17% M, Dominique (STD)

I don't have the Open data in there, but I SERIOUSLY doubt that either ipsc1 or Slavex would get pushed out of the top 15 by the addition of the open stats. If someone feels very strongly that I'm wrong, I'll do it.. ;-)
 
woops, ok, I was wrong; ipsc1 drops down to 25th, when everyone is thrown together:

1 1575.4336 100.00% W, Henning
2 1509.5079 95.82% A, Michael
3 1489.4671 94.54% S, James
4 1411.5698 89.60% E, Robert
5 1401.6237 88.97% M, Nikita
6 1396.9338 88.67% Y, Chris
7 1394.1202 88.49% K, Brad
8 1386.1025 87.98% S, Alan
9 1380.3331 87.62% B, Mike
10 1349.0217 85.63% K, Frank
11 1342.1513 85.19% D, Peter
12 1341.2106 85.13% R, Ivan
13 1332.7552 84.60% K, Josko
14 1319.3053 83.74% K, Nick
15 1310.8880 83.21% G, Mitar
16 1302.0434 82.65% S, Alex
17 1293.4764 82.10% L, Bruce
18 1262.8544 80.16% S, Wade
19 1261.7649 80.09% H, Mark
20 1256.4585 79.75% G, Guy
21 1249.0582 79.28% S, Pascal
22 1247.5365 79.19% B, Ron
23 1242.5727 78.87% G, Greg
24 1229.4990 78.04% M, Brian
25 1227.1680 77.89% M, Cliff

ok, so Open clearly makes a huge difference, but Std not so much... But it's consistent: the top Prod shooter is just little over 10% behind the top Std one, and that top Std shooter is just little over 10% behind the top Open one.
 
how the hell did I end up 4th? (unless there is someone else in Prod with the name Robert E?)
 
that's not you, that's an Open Robert ;-) (from the Ont team) you'd be behind ipsc1, so under 25h (44th to be exact)
 
I don't think comparing match point totals between divisions is a relevant.....comparing hit factors for each stage would.....
 
ahh yes I know the Open shooter, but you had me in the first list with a (PRD) beside my name, so I thought you'd made a mistake or something. now I understand!
 
He didn't do match point totals, he did use hit factors.

I used hit factors myself, just to see ( I had to be able to back up my claims ), and when I did, 1st Production dropped to 22nd overall (I didn't include the Standard shooters).
 
i might be a little late in joining this forum, however I just like to inform us in canada that the Philippines is the only Ipsc team that can beat the U.S. powerhouse. there skills are way far ahead than Canada. It is just unfortunate that the PPSA is not well funded to compete internationally, thus limiting the great shooters. We are all familiar with Jethro "the jet " Dionisio, Athena Lee, Mary grace Tan, and Kay . During the 1999 World Shoot in Cebu Philippines, the Philippines Team captured the Open div, same with Ladies team, and good showing in the Std. Div.and Mod. div.
 
I believe the Philippines excel in IPSC is that there is a lot of support for the sport.

From what I had read, the team that went to the World Shoot this year had gotten together with a coach and were training regularly in preparation for the competiton.

From my understanding, we did not have the same opportunity.

It would be nice to have the Canadian team get together for at least a month before to shoot together, have a coach train and see where improvements could be made etc. and get psyched for the match.

Filipino shooters, correct me if I am wrong, but arent most of the top competitors in the Philippines well funded ? I think most can schedule their own time as most either own their own business, top executives of companies or are in the military.

The more time you have and the more resources, I am sure the better you will become over time.
 
the sport is very supported in other ways, the ipsc members gets some excemptions with regards to laws regarding firearms, but when it comes to funding from the PPSA or gov"t, i dont think so, they to use their own pockets to support their travel, which in Philippines standard way to high.considering the pesos value in the world currency is way low, but i know for a fact they have a very strong shooters and very competitive. some good shooters are now shooting for teams in U.S. ex. JJ racazza
 
I have a Filipino buddy who lives just outside of Manilla.

He practises with his 9mm FEG in his yard (shares a compound with his 2 brothers). Lucky bastar*. :lol:

Try doing that in Kanada. :shock:
 
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