Original 45/70s

Why limit yourself so much? The trapdoor springfield is the only rifle I can think of that is seen somewhat commonly and is usually 45-70. There are very few of the original calibers which cannot be formed from something although in some cases that might be basic brass. Bullet molds are available at a price, for most any caliber. Finally you can rebarrel an antique single shot frame to a convenient caliber over .34 and it retains its antique status. One of my favourite rifles for example is a trapdoor springfield in 38-55
A Borchardt in good shooting condition is a fairly expensive rifle and if you are prepared to spend that much, you have a fair amount of leeway in refurbishing a less expensive model, particularly if you do your own restocking.

cheers mooncoon
 
Original guns like you mention are antiques and not subject to as much B.S. here or on the other side. A good condition specimen of either will be 3 grand or more especially if you want a sporting/target/heavy barrel model. They cost about the same as the good replicas made in USA such as C. Sharps, Shiloh Sharps, Lonestar(rem. RB),etc....I mention these because alot of Originals, you may not want to shoot! M.T. Chambers Supply can provide supplies for loading and any info. you may need on the old guns and cartridges.
 
Hey Mooncoon...am I learning something new here today? I thought that an original trapdoor in 45-70 or rebarreled to 38-55 would not qualify as antique as it is a cartridge still available? My Sniders, Martini Henrys and Mauser 1871 all qualify as antique. Clear this up for me. I reload and shoot all my antique cartridge rifles on a regular basis. Dave
 
Dantforth said:
Hey Mooncoon...am I learning something new here today? I thought that an original trapdoor in 45-70 or rebarreled to 38-55 would not qualify as antique as it is a cartridge still available?
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You will find it in SOR 98-464. Paraphrased; non magazine (so pre 98 double rifles are antique) and over .34 caliber. It is the age of the receiver which determines the status, not the barrel or any other spare part (unless you made it into a magazine rifle). The commonly available phrase is just an easy catch phrase and is pretty misleading. A 25-21 Stevens for example is considered modern because it is too small. A 45-70 is considered antique because it is over .34

cheers mooncoon
 
OK....where in the "Devil" do I get the ...Cartridge not manufactured??? I have passed up some nice rifles because I thought they were not antiques, when they were. Never a day goes by without learning something new!
 
Dantforth said:
OK....where in the "Devil" do I get the ...Cartridge not manufactured??? I have passed up some nice rifles because I thought they were not antiques, when they were. Never a day goes by without learning something new!
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You are not alone i get lots of guys try and tell me some of my guns are not Antique cause the Ammos available.
I think that changed in about 1996 or so.
We have a list now for revolvers of non alould calibers and for rifles as Doug says any Pre 1898 single shot rifle over (i think its 8.3mil bore Dia) is a Perscribed antique.
You could have a registered a 7 mil single shot pre 1898 Rifle and re barrel it to say 45 70 and then Deregister it as its now antique ;) :D
 
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Boy I can't keep track of all the alias's, Delta and Dantforth are friends of mine and i don't know it....I hope this will help some others as there is an influx of old Rolling Blocks coming into Canada and one can get them chambered in any cal. over 8mm(approx.)(low pressure rounds) and have a good BPCR sillywet rifle or hunting gun. The idea of de-registering the 7mm mauser rolling blocks when rechambered really appeals to me.
 
You need to know the model of rolling block; the 7mm bears a 1909 patent date unless I am mistaken. Also relative to a comment by Dingus; I don't believe "not commercially available" was ever in the firearms act. I believe it may have been policy but not written law prior to 1995 and relative to the registration of antique handguns. I suspect it is also used by instructors of the firearms safety course, who are not particularly familiar with the written law. I am not sure if the subject of antique registration is actually examined for with the firearms safety course.

cheers mooncoon
 
mooncoon said:
You need to know the model of rolling block; the 7mm bears a 1909 patent date unless I am mistaken. Also relative to a comment by Dingus; I don't believe "not commercially available" was ever in the firearms act. I believe it may have been policy but not written law prior to 1995 and relative to the registration of antique handguns. I suspect it is also used by instructors of the firearms safety course, who are not particularly familiar with the written law. I am not sure if the subject of antique registration is actually examined for with the firearms safety course.

cheers mooncoon
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It's not, as it takes up too much time, and is a small portion of the gun using puiblic. - dan
 
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