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There are all kinds Nazi/Wehrmacht memorabilia collectors, and I am confident most of them are more interested in the historical importance than the hate crimes.

Back when we were kids, I remember everyone wanting the German model kits (especially the elusive tiger tank models). Even back then I remember a concerned mother of a friend saying something like "you shouldn't buy the German stuff. They did bad things". Most people don't realize that most German soldiers were not Nazis and they were not genocidal maniacs.

Lately we see the opposite thing happening over in Japan. They are going crazy for German WW2 stuff, and they are completely overlooking the politics and hate crimes (the same way they overlook their own WW2 hate crimes). Nazi flags and German "cosplay" uniforms are selling well without even a hint of guilt nor accusations of being neo-nazis. They even wear them in public....

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Of course being japan they have to go all weird and reinterpret WW2 in their own strange way. Turn every German officer into a cute girl with a mini-skirt and swastika panties:

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EDIT: Haha.. Imageshack deleted the picture of the japanese girl with the armband because it was "too offensive". I found a new host.
 
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mr_trout said:
Of course being japan they have to go all weird and reinterpret WW2 in their own strange way. Turn every German officer into a cute girl with a mini-skirt and swastika panties:
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isn't that not far from the really was happening ?

the name escapes me right now , but didn't at least one very high ranking german officer wear womans clothing under his uniform ?
 
burnt_servo said:
isn't that not far from the really was happening ?

the name escapes me right now , but didn't at least one very high ranking german officer wear womans clothing under his uniform ?
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I had heard stories of that, yes.

Unrelated to that , it seems someone flagged the Japanese girl in the nazi uniform picture as "inappropriate" and image shack turfed it.. :rolleyes:
 
You don't know the tip of the iceberg regarding cute anime jap girls in nazi uniforms. It is an entire GENRE in itself.

-There is something horribly wrong with trying to say the Japs were more morally correct than the Germans...I disagree completely. The average japanese soldier was more by code, heritage and beliefs actually supportive of the things they did than the average German.

-Calling every german in ww2 a NAZI is the most fundamentally stupid thing ever when you simply stop and think about it. Thats the same dysfunctional retardation you would have if we stopped calling all Americans: AMERICANS and just started calling them all DEMOCRATS. Or maybe when the liberals were in power there rest of the world would do something stupid like CALL ALL CANADIANS LIBERALS.

Think about how stupid it now sounds labelling an entire country by its ruling political party....

News flash!
The Democratic and Conservative coalition currently serving in Afghanistan helped build a well in a rural village, while disarming IED's along the main roadway...

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The American and Canadian coalition currently serving in Afghanistan helped build a well in a rural village, while disarming IED's along the main roadway...


I just never ever understood the whole "Nazi" "Commie" thing....simple brain logic easily deduces how inane it sounds.
 
So here it is folks, like it or not

Nazis = bad
Germans = Good
Neo Nazis = Bad
Nazis stuff from WWII = Important History
People who want to destroy history = NAZIs
hot school girls in Nazi outfits = Japanese lol
 
I've always been amazed at how the stuff hits the fan in some threads.

I have a WWII Japanese flag covered with Japanese writing hanging on my bedroom door. The Japanese soldiers used to carry these flags inside their helmets as padding and they would be taken as souvenirs by allied soldiers from dead Japanese. I consider it a historical artifact.
 
We need to maintain the memory that both Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were criminal regiemes which initiated wars of aggression resulting in atrocities and human suffering,including that of their own people, on a monumental scale. One of the sobering lessons of history is that this could have happened in the recent past in societies which were comparatively well developed and enlightened. We have just seen the same thing on a smaller scale in the former Yugoslavia.

Both Germany and Japan have now progressed to a point where they are so thoroughly pacified and socially and politically developed that they present no risk of generating this kind of thing again. This was a very painful, humiliating, and costly experience for both countries as they were pounded back to a near pre-industrial state with huge social and economic destruction. Children starved, men, including the defeated soldiery, gleaned the fields or begged in the streets and women prostituted themselves for a few cigarettes or a candy bar if they were luck enough to avoid rape at the hands of the conquering armies.
 
Claybuster said:
My two points remain. The value of Nazi artifacts is driven up by demand from the hatemongers and revisionists who worship Hitler and the Nazi concept of a pure race and that gunowners don't do themselves any favours by showing an undue fascination with Nazi items beyond firearms.
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What is your evidence for this? Can you point us toward anything, other than your own words, which would support these points? I'm not trying to be overly adversarial here - I get enough of that at work - this just doesn't ring true to me.

K98's, G/K43's, Mp38/40's, Stg44's, P38's and every other firearm used by German forces in WWII, whether they were made in German or an occupied country, are highly collectible. The ones made in Germany are generally more collectible. Firearms with "Nazi" markings are more collectible than those without. Anything that has any provenance to SS units is much more collectible and valuable, etc., etc. It is the same for uniforms, bayonets, helmets, flags, etc.

To suggest that this phenomenon has anything to do with support for Nazi or neo-Nazi principles is a bit of a bizarre non sequitur. "To collect is to support the political views of the original owners." :confused: But anyway, don't worry about that too much. Nobody is asking you for a mea culpa. Just move on.

I think it largely goes without saying that historical importance and scarcity are the primary forces at work in all collecting, including Nazi flags. Obviously WWII is an important historical event. Unlike other participants in the war, such as the United States and Canada, the Third Reich regime quite literally went down in flames after a relatively short existence - and there are very finite amounts of relics from that time. To suggest that the value of these items due to "hatemongers and revisionists who worship Hitler and the Nazi concept of a pure race"... it's a bit much. I'm glad to hear that you are passionate in your convictions, but I'm not sure this particular stand really takes you anywhere. Take a couple deep breaths and we will welcome you back. I think it behooves us all to try and be reasonable, and encourage others to do the same. That's all I'm trying to do here.
 
purple said:
Both Germany and Japan have now progressed to a point where they are so thoroughly pacified and socially and politically developed that they present no risk of generating this kind of thing again. .
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Both countries have a fairly large and powerful lobby to return to the good ole days. Japanese culture is still only a couple generations removed from the fudal state they left in the late 19th century. AND they where never brought to task for 98% of their war crimes as they americans didn't want to push them into russia's sphere of influence after the war. To this day the largely deny the multiple war crimes they commited, from organized system matic rape to the deliberate starvation and murder of POW's and civilians.

Give either of them a good strong economic depression and there would be enough popular support to bring in some very radical goverments
 
If I recall correctly, it was a good, strong economic depression that brought the National-Socialists to power.

Wekk, we don't need to worry about them coming back: Rudolf Hess is dead and he was the absolute last of the high Nazis. I'm more worried about whatever comes NEXT.

History does not repeat itself.... but the PATTERNS of history DO repeat. It is how we react to these patterns that determines the future.

BTW, for a REALLY interesting read, check out the testimony of Bank of Canada Governor Graham Towers to the Parliamentary Inquiry on Banking in 1943. Canada had precisely ZIP to combat the Great Depression, but it had all it ever wanted for a war. Towers says precisely why... and the politicians still don't want to face up to THEIR incompetence.
 
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