Original Winchester '73 at 200 yards (photos)

Win 38-55

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Ever since I developed my 'ultimate' 44-40 load, I've been looking forward to trying it out at 200 yards. Although there was a bit of a breeze (20 km/hr or 12 mph), I couldn't stay away from the range any longer, so at lunch hour I slipped off for a quick shoot.

Rifle: An original Winchester Model 1873 chambered in 44 WCF (44-40) and received in the Warehouse August 1, 1889. It is in excellent, original condition, with a shiny, smooth bore with sharp rifling. I took a photo of this vintage '73 after the shoot, posted below ....

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Load: 17.7 grains of 5744 with a pinch of cotton between the powder and the bullet to keep the powder against the primer.

Bullet: Accurate Molds 43-200B ordered to give a sized diameter of .431 ( http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=43-200B-D.png ) see photo below ...

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and here's a photo of the bullet, pinch of cotton and case, to give you an idea of the amount of cotton I use. I don't weigh it. I just pinch off enough cotton to fill the space in the cartridge with the cotton lightly compressed between the bullet and the powder. ....

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Shooting Setup: I set my shooting bag on a piece of 2 x 12 to give the right height. I rested my arm on the pillow. Here's a photo of the setup I used today ....

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First Group (peep sticker on glasses):
For this first group, I stuck a small, round sticker about 1/4" in diameter with a 1/16" hole punched in the middle of it onto the front of the right lens of my glasses. This acts as a bit of a peep hole to sharpen up the rear sights for my 57 year-old eyes. This tended to make the front sight a bit more difficult to see. I raised the ramp under my rear sight two notches and fired a 'sighter'. I hit about an inch below the target, so raised the rear sight one more notch. I fired five shots and then headed down to check my target. Although I found the front sight difficult to see because the peep really reduced the contrast of the sight against the target, I got a five-shot group of 5 & 1/8" at 200 yards. I'm sure the rifle is capable of a group half that size, but it was the best I could do this particular day. Here's a photo of the target ....

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Second Group (no peep sticker on glasses):
When I am hunting, I don't have a sticker on the lens of my glasses, so I figured I'd see how I could shoot without one. With no sticker, the front sight was easier to see but the rear sight notch was very, very blurry. I slowly fired off five rounds and went down to check my target. Very interesting! This time I got a five shot group of exactly 6" at 200 yards and the entire group was moved over about 3" to the right and about 4" down. I am sure this was due to a much blurrier rear sight notch, making the top and middle of the sight notch harder to figure out. I did find a consistent area within the blurry notch to put the front sight, since this second group is only 3/4" larger that the sticker-peep group, but obviously the sight picture has been altered due to the much blurrier rear sight notch. Here's a photo of the second no-peep sticker target .....

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Concluding Thoughts: This fall, I'm planning to harvest a White Tail deer with this fine old classic. The load looks good enough out to 200 yards, but I will have to practice shooting without the sticker peep. Where I will be hunting, the shots are most likely to be less than 50 yards and no more than 100 yards. Nevertheless, I look forward to practicing at ranges between 50 and 200 yards this summer and fall. I think that with practice, I should be able to tighten up my 200 yard groups with no peep sticker on my glasses.
 
Wow sir that is very fine rifle, a well thought out load and some great shooting.
I can't wait to see a deer with the old toggle action laying on its side.
Great pics as usual.
 
I used to enjoy that rifle in my safe. What was I thinking!

Great shooting Kirk. I hope you take a fine White tail with it this Fall.

Matt
 
Very fine shooting, indeed.
I have a soft spot for Winchester lever actions in some of those older, somewhat neglected chamberings.
I have a 38-55 that is exceptionally accurate, and it turns in a 3-shot group at 100 meters that is right around an inch once in a while. [usually around 2"]
Shot my 2nd largest whitetail with it 3 years ago.
Eagleye
 
She looks damn good for 123 years old. At 200 yards what's the energy potential with those bullets? 44-40 isn't known for its knockdown power lol. Should do well on any deer less a 100 yards tho
 
I'm curious about your shooting technique. I have always followed advice I read long ago, that when shooting a lever rifle the best accuracy is obtained by resting only the receiver, never the forend, on the bags. Do you do this?
Nice group! I had a lovely 1892 in .44-40 and sold it, to my chagrin.
 
After reading of your success with that cast bullet and seeing how nice it looks, I ordered that same mould.
It arrived yesterday so hopefully I can do a bit of casting this weekend.
I'm really looking forward to see how they work in my '73, maybe filling a deer tag will be a possibility for this old geezer too.

Thanks for your most enjoyable threads Win 38-55, keep up the good work !
 
I have hunted deer the last couple years with an old 1894 chambered in 38-55 as well. Standard rifle, 26" octagon barrel. That rifle is very accurate as well. I have a Lyman tang sight on it, and with that sight, I can often group within an inch at 100 yards, and at 50 sometimes have them touching. I am really impressed with the old gun, and find that tang sight really helps. I took a nice whitetail with it two years ago, missed a dandy last year.

Matt
 
At 200 yards what's the energy potential with those bullets?
I don't know, but I do know from experience that a 200 grain cast bullet fired out the barrel at 1,270 fps from this same 44-40 will blow right through a 2 x 8 at 200 yards. Once I get a bit better with this rifle, I'm planning to set up my chronograph at 200 yards to see how the velocity compares with the charts.

Kilo Charlie: I'm sure you are right about the receiver rest, at least with a naked barrel. But with a lever action that has the forearm and forearm tip attached to the barrel half way down with a tenon, and the front of the tubular magazine attached to the front of the barrel with a screw and the front magazine hanger, it probably makes less of a difference. A few years ago, I took all that stuff off a lever action 30-30 so there was nothing but the barrel hanging off the receiver. I then rested the gun on its receiver and tried groups at 100 yards. In the case of that particular gun, it made no difference. Nevertheless, I think it probably does make a difference for most guns. I'm thinking that it is the kind of difference that a person is more likely to see when using a scope. With these open iron sights, the biggest problem, by far, is the big blur of the rear sight notch. It is such a blur that I would have thought it was a bit ridiculous to even try hitting the target at 200 yards yet, by some miracle, even a big smudge can give a sight picture good enough to get a 6" group at 200 yards. I am seriously trying to hunt down an original tang sight for a '73. That should really help.
 
You could always drill and tap that '73 and mount a scope on it. Might improve your groups.:p

Russ...

Russ, that is a good idea. I got a drill and tap set for my hand drill and I can slip over to the store today and pick up a good 25x varmint scope. Should have it up and running by late this afternoon!:D
 
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