Otis, Boresnake or rod?? Which do you use?
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Well my paper towel barreled Anschutz 22lr shoots pretty good. Below are a couple of five shot groups fired at fifty yards with SK Standard Plus ammunition.How do the guns that you use a bore snake on shoot?
My non-anschutz .22lr will not do those groups, and not because I use a boresnake. Quality of the firearm and the shooter abilities have more to do with groups like that than "improper cleaning".
All my semi's, sks, garand, m14s are capable of inch and half groups at 100 yards and these aren't thousand dollar rifles, and they are sometimes cleaned with a boresnake. I have more confidence in 50 and 60 year old steel in these barrels than some carbon fouling or primer residue will affect.
I use a one piece tipton carbon rod now and before that, the sh--ty 3 piece screw togethers and yet the rifles always shoot the same.
I may be a "noob" on here but have been shooting handguns and rifles for 35 years and have yet to see any of my guns "ruined" by cleaning methods other than what bench rest shooters use. Just my 3 cents.
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One-piece Dewey rod. Actually just picked it up not that long ago. 
Thats like the Hobo cleaning kit
If you want it more "professional" looking set - see the last page here: http://www.weaponcare.com/pdf/VFG_Waffenpflege_E.pdf
Where to buy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VFG-Pocket-size-Cleaning-Kit-Pistol-Rifle-177-22-/370491786025?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&var=&hash=item95038f9b9f
And felts are there as well.
I like the felts idea much more than cleaning rod/guide/etc.
So why do you suppose that people like myself,Eagleye, and the other people shooting the higher quality rifles, avoid the boresnake? Why do the competitive target shooters avoid them? Are you insinuating that it is merely coincidence, that people with the most money invested in their guns, and people that are most concerned with precise accuracy, avoid the boresnake?
If I was satisfied with 1-1/2moa shooting, I might not care about taking good care of my barrels.
If your rifles accuracy went from 1-1/4moa to 1-1/2moa, would you even notice?If a handgun went from 3moa to 4moa, would you notice?
sametwinnie
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Thanks a lot guys!! A lot of comments in short time!
The reason why I asked about pull trought cleaning is especially for cleaning my 10/22. But I like the idea of a mix between one piece coated cleaning rod with muzzle guide and Boresnake. The only thing I ever owned is the cheap sh**ty 3 pieces cleaning kit
Where I could buy a Dewey rod and muzzle protector?
The reason why I asked about pull trought cleaning is especially for cleaning my 10/22. But I like the idea of a mix between one piece coated cleaning rod with muzzle guide and Boresnake. The only thing I ever owned is the cheap sh**ty 3 pieces cleaning kit
Where I could buy a Dewey rod and muzzle protector?
sametwinnie
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And it's a good question: how do you clean boresnake???
Well my paper towel barreled Anschutz 22lr shoots pretty good. Below are a couple of five shot groups fired at fifty yards with SK Standard Plus ammunition.How do the guns that you use a bore snake on shoot?
Yes those are good groups. But I can also hit a golf ball at 100 all day long with my 10/22 that I have boresnaked to crap out of. With rem thunderbolt ammo and a $300 semi auto. So I am thinking that the boresnake is not that much of a big deal.
Why do you suppose that people that their lives depend on there firearms have no issues with boresnakes. From police, militray to snipers all use boresnakes, I was issued one. If they we so damaging would the army issue them to over 60,000 rifles? That would get pricey fast with all the ruined barrels don't you think?
Would the snipers use them if they were so bad for there bores? And their rifles cost way more than an anshutz and shoot way further than 50m.
The guy asked what to use to clean his 10/22 not his .338 timberwolfe. If he was looking to get into long range competitive bench-rest shooting I am sure most would have suggested a dewy and muzzle protector.
I would not spend the money, just pick up a normal good cleaning kit with brass rods and you will be fine.
Shawn
How convenient do you think it would be for a soldier,or a sniper to carry around a one piece cleaning rod, and bore guide in the field? Concessions are made in order to provide a cleaning kit that is compact, and easy to carry.
Like Stubblejumper says, these various users of boresnakes are not dealing with the precision required from a Competition rimfire [or centerfire, for all that matter]
A poster mentioned hitting golf balls regularly at 100 yards with his 10-22...whoop-de-doo!!
A golf ball is what? about 1¾" in diameter.
A quality rimfire, using quality ammo will stay at or under ½" at 100 yards all day.
We take care of a barrel that is competitive...that means NO methods that might, over time, decrease the accuracy of said barrel.
I would concede that an occasional, field use of a boresnake, if absolutely necessary, and on a rifle that is not a competitive item, might be relatively benign.
In any case, If that snake has been through a bore, even once, it should be washed before being used again.
Regards, Eagleye.
A poster mentioned hitting golf balls regularly at 100 yards with his 10-22...whoop-de-doo!!
A golf ball is what? about 1¾" in diameter.
A quality rimfire, using quality ammo will stay at or under ½" at 100 yards all day.
We take care of a barrel that is competitive...that means NO methods that might, over time, decrease the accuracy of said barrel.
I would concede that an occasional, field use of a boresnake, if absolutely necessary, and on a rifle that is not a competitive item, might be relatively benign.
In any case, If that snake has been through a bore, even once, it should be washed before being used again.
Regards, Eagleye.
Follow the diagram they send with the kits. It's a little sheet of paper showing where to pinch for what calibers. After a dozen times of doing it, it becomes easy and you dont even need to look at it again.
Anyway... My choice is the Otis kits. Not only do i think they're the most extensive and versatile kits, I also think they're in the smallest package I've ever seen...
I also really like the patches. I only need 1 patch to clean a gun as each patch can be effectively reused 3-6 times. I know that often people complain about the cost of the patches, but they tend to run ~$45-50 per 1000 of ALL CALIBER patches (No need for 2 different patch sizes).
When you consider that most patches (per thousand) run about $20 and if you have lots of different calibers you often need two sizes with other brands... So that's $40 per 1000 for patches from another company. Then you can typically only use each patch 1-2 times (depending on if you cut them smaller or not).
Meh... It's certainly not something everyone likes... But they're very powerful kits that can do everything needed in a very very small form factor.
how does one clean a boresnake? A: I don't. I soak solvent on the snake in front of the brush and oil behind the brush, leaving the last 6-8 inches dry.
Think about it, with every pull The solvent dissolves crud, the brush loosens it, the oil then picks it up and oils and then swept clean and dry by the last 6-8 inches. x3 your done!
perhaps on a $10,000 precision shooter something different, but that's not what we're talking about right?
I'd like to actually see damage done by a boresnake to convince me to stop using 1. My .02
Think about it, with every pull The solvent dissolves crud, the brush loosens it, the oil then picks it up and oils and then swept clean and dry by the last 6-8 inches. x3 your done!
perhaps on a $10,000 precision shooter something different, but that's not what we're talking about right?
I'd like to actually see damage done by a boresnake to convince me to stop using 1. My .02
Where do you suppose the crud ends up that is loosened by the solvent and brush, and is then picked up by the bore snake? It just keeps accumulating in the bore snake. Unless you clean the bore snake after each use, it keeps accumulating, and you keep dragging all of that accumulated crud through the barrel, over and over again.
How convenient do you think it is for a guy shooting pop cans or gophers with a 10/22 to carry around a one piece rod and bore guide?
The user, in this case the OP, never said he was shooting competition, he asked what to clean his 10/22 with. And you guys are making it sound like his #### will fall of if any thing other than a dewy rod and bore guide are used.
Yeah, that was me. Stubblejumper posted up his very good groups with his rifle which have no baring on what the OP asked about. 99.999999% of people shooting .22 are not shooting competition bench rest with them. They are shooting pop cans, golf balls and gophers.
I was illustrating to the OP that a stock 10/22 that has been defiled by the evil boresnake will be more than accurate for any use except maybe bench rest.
I never suggested you should do other wise. But just because you do it doesn't mean every one has too.
I still think that a boresnake will not ruin a barrel any more than a regular brass brush. If the fouling can be removed with a brass brush it must be softer than the brush. So how could pulling a boresnake than has been used through the barrel possibly be more damaging than the brass brush?
I would say that the only way a boresnake could effect accuracy would be that it might not get the bore as clean as a proper rod and patch method would. Which is why competitors probably don't use them.
So basically it boils down to unless you are shooting bench rest the one piece rods and bore guide are not needed. And you can spend the money on ammo instead.
Shawn
Shawn
I only clean the barrels of my 22lr every 500 to 1000 rounds, so cleaning a 22lr while gopher hunting or shooting pop cans just isn't required in the field.
I wasn't shooting competition bench rest either when I shot those groups. In fact ,I don't shoot in any official rimfire competitions,if I was, I would be using match ammunition, not $5 per box SK ammunition. However, I clean all of my rimfires the same way, and that includes my lower cost CZ rifles. I want all of them to be as accurate as possible, so I treat all of the barrels with care.
When you use sandpaper or emery cloth to polish metal, the abrasive comes off of the cloth or paper. The softer metal wears down, but it does dislodge some of the abrasive, just as a bronze brush dislodges fouling.
