Ottawa Sniper with PGW.....!

It seems in recent years, that a lot of police departments have gone away from factory rifles, the 700P being the most popular, and have opted for full house custom rigs in the $8000-$10,000 range. Are they training at further distances then what used to be the norm of 100 yards?
 
Cappy said:
Flat trajectory doesn't translate into accuracy by itself. It does however make hits on targets at unknown distance a little easier as there is more room for an error in wind and distance estimation and ranging.

If I know that the target is at 700yds I can get just as good of hits regardless if I am using my .308 or .338 (notice the distance is in the do able range for both and not factoring in wind). If I am estimating the target is somewhere between 750 and 800 then I find it easier to get on target quicker with the .338. Of course if you start stepping out to further distances the .338 makes the obvious choice.
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If there is a flatter trajectory to account for it would lessen the impact of one variable impacting on accuracy. Imagine a totally flat endless trajectory. I spose that PWG's website has faulty info?:slap:
 
Steve David said:
It seems in recent years, that a lot of police departments have gone away from factory rifles, the 700P being the most popular, and have opted for full house custom rigs in the $8000-$10,000 range. Are they training at further distances then what used to be the norm of 100 yards?
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No, it just demonstrates the bloated budgets.
 
svt-40 said:
No, it just demonstrates the bloated budgets.
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Not in Toronto, Metro still uses the 700P with Leupold 3.5-10X40, but here in Durham, tactical has custom built .308 700's in AI stocks with high priced optics and the NSRT has AI is .308, .338 and Barrrett .50's.
 
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svt-40 said:
No, it just demonstrates the bloated budgets.
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Or a higher importance placed on the role of a sniper? Who would you rather have out there if it was your wife/son/daughter or significant loved one being held hostage with a gun to their head? I know I would want the guy/gal with the best training and the best equipment available.
 
You don't need a $10K rig to hit the head if you can see that he's holding a gun. My Stevens 200 in 223 can do that just fine and it cost me $350 with base and rings included.
 
svt-40 said:
You don't need a $10K rig to hit the head if you can see that he's holding a gun. My Stevens 200 in 223 can do that just fine and it cost me $350 with base and rings included.
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How does that .223 perform through intermediate barriers anyways? Didn't think there would be a lot left to ensure a absolute lights out effect. Which I dunno, think might be important if there is a gun against someones head and a finger on the trigger? Ever try being on a plain jane Stevens for 15hours straight? Can't imagine it would be all that comfy, in fact I would bet it would be down right painful trying to keep things solid and consistant. Which would translate into more difficulty making the shot if the time came.

I'm glad you have a good shooting rifle there, but I'll still opt for the person who does it for a living and has the best equipment available and thinks about all the possible variables and contingencies out there. Therfore he/she wants the best equipment they can get their hands on and will not settle for less and will fight for the best equipment every chance they get.

In the modern world of absolute liabilities agencies have changed their opinions of snipers. It is no longer a guy with an off the shelf hunting rifle, but someone who should recieve a lot of training and have an absolute precise rig. Which can be had for way under 10K but the way.
 
svt-40 said:
You don't need a $10K rig to hit the head if you can see that he's holding a gun. My Stevens 200 in 223 can do that just fine and it cost me $350 with base and rings included.
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No offense, but I'd take a pro with good gear over you with your budget rig every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
 
Im not sure why they have to spend that kind of money, maybe it is now 'trendy' trying to mimic the lads in A-stan, or too much time surfing youtube - liveleak

Kind of like giving the Identification Section (forensics) 2008 Corvette Z06's

.3 @ 100 meters with a 700P with Leupold glass is somehow less 'adequate' than .3 @ 100 meters with PGW ??????
 
jennis said:
Im not sure why they have to spend that kind of money, maybe it is now 'trendy' trying to mimic the lads in A-stan, or too much time surfing youtube - liveleak

Kind of like giving the Identification Section (forensics) 2008 Corvette Z06's
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Or Hummers...........!

jennis said:
.3 @ 100 meters with a 700P with Leupold glass is somehow less 'adequate' than .3 @ 100 meters with PGW ??????
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Hey the Metro ETF sniper did it with his stock 700P and Vari-X III 3.5-10X40 on Front Street. But you are correct, both shoot the same at @ 100 yards.
 
Cappy said:
How does that .223 perform through intermediate barriers anyways?
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Is it too difficult to understand that this is not a 5.56 vs 7.62 type of argument here? Even if I used Rem 700 for $1K as an example, that would have steel been 10x cheaper. Hell, you can get a 50 cal for 5K and top it with $1K worth of scoping and still be $4K ahead.
 
Police officers are like young boys, they like nicer toys.

And, it's some gun nutz there to, so, if department budget is good, small boys in uniforms will play with nicer toys for FREE.:eek:
 
As long as they don't end up being aimed at us good guys at a rally. Not that Ottawa snipers would scan a crowd of law abiding citizens exercising their democratic rights.
 
svt-40 said:
You don't need a $10K rig to hit the head if you can see that he's holding a gun. My Stevens 200 in 223 can do that just fine and it cost me $350 with base and rings included.
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That comment shows you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not a personal attack so don't get your shorts in a knot, it just shows the lack of understanding.
 
EC said:
That comment shows you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not a personal attack so don't get your shorts in a knot, it just shows the lack of understanding.
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Give us your side of argument, Mr. Enigma, otherwise it's a personal attack however you polish it. Tell us why a $50 Lee Enfield topped with a Leupold Mk4 MRT can't do the job, if it shoots 1 MOA 3 shot groups and 1.5 MOA 5 shot groups at 100 yards. I bet there is a dozen users on CGN who own a LE like that, and some probably paid $25 for them back in the days.
I reiterated above, that it does not matter if I used Steve 200 or Rem 700 milspec for an example, it's still miles away from $10K figure.
 
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