Our last grizzlies
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Great. Another poll dominated by people who have no idea what a sustainable hunt is, or the benefits brought to the province.
And as is typical, the natives can keep the trophies but we can't.
Seeing as how they are 'consulting' on the issue, I voiced my concern via email. You can do the same if you wish. Just remove the spaces I put in the link below.
h t t p s://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2017FLNR0316-001676?utm_content=buffer7b328&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Here is what I sent, feel free to copy & modify if you wish.
Cheers
Jay
Hello: My name is Jay and I live in Ontario. You may be aware that the spring bear hunt in Ontario was cancelled for 15 years and recently reopened. During this 15 year closure, damage to property and incidents with problem bears increased dramatically. It is important for you to realize that the closure was based on emotion and not science. In fact, it is common knowledge that the Ontario government did not listen to their own biologists who opposed the closure of the spring bear hunt. They chose to side with animal rights activists who claimed that the closure of the spring bear hunt would prevent hunters from harvesting sows and leaving orphan cubs behind to perish. Nothing could be further from the truth. Hunters do not target sows with cubs, and it is not legal to harvest a sow with cubs. Thankfully, common sense prevailed and the spring bear hunt was reinstated in Ontario.
When I look to your beautiful province of British Columbia, and I hear that you are considering restricting 'trophy hunting' for grizzly bears, I have to ask you several questions. Are you basing your decisions on sound wildlife management principles? You must know that the main reason for bear cub mortality is predation from mature male bears. Trophy hunting, which targets these mature male bears, is actually a benefit to the species! That may be hard to believe if you are not a hunter, but it's true.
The management of bear populations via the regulated hunting of bears, trophy hunting especially, should be allowed to continue in BC. There is no valid scientific reason to close it. If you chose to ignore the science and sound wildlife management principles, there will be an increase in bear cub mortality and financial hardship for all segments of the economy currently involved in the legal hunt.
In closing, let me say that I am not against the closure of hunting seasons to protect a given animal population. But these decisions need to be based on science, not emotion.
Yours Truly
Jay
h t t p s://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2017FLNR0316-001676?utm_content=buffer7b328&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Here is what I sent, feel free to copy & modify if you wish.
Cheers
Jay
Hello: My name is Jay and I live in Ontario. You may be aware that the spring bear hunt in Ontario was cancelled for 15 years and recently reopened. During this 15 year closure, damage to property and incidents with problem bears increased dramatically. It is important for you to realize that the closure was based on emotion and not science. In fact, it is common knowledge that the Ontario government did not listen to their own biologists who opposed the closure of the spring bear hunt. They chose to side with animal rights activists who claimed that the closure of the spring bear hunt would prevent hunters from harvesting sows and leaving orphan cubs behind to perish. Nothing could be further from the truth. Hunters do not target sows with cubs, and it is not legal to harvest a sow with cubs. Thankfully, common sense prevailed and the spring bear hunt was reinstated in Ontario.
When I look to your beautiful province of British Columbia, and I hear that you are considering restricting 'trophy hunting' for grizzly bears, I have to ask you several questions. Are you basing your decisions on sound wildlife management principles? You must know that the main reason for bear cub mortality is predation from mature male bears. Trophy hunting, which targets these mature male bears, is actually a benefit to the species! That may be hard to believe if you are not a hunter, but it's true.
The management of bear populations via the regulated hunting of bears, trophy hunting especially, should be allowed to continue in BC. There is no valid scientific reason to close it. If you chose to ignore the science and sound wildlife management principles, there will be an increase in bear cub mortality and financial hardship for all segments of the economy currently involved in the legal hunt.
In closing, let me say that I am not against the closure of hunting seasons to protect a given animal population. But these decisions need to be based on science, not emotion.
Yours Truly
Jay
You mean just like last time they were in power? The sad part is when I talked to people about it they would say things like they've been in power for a long time so we need a change. With that same logic you could have the janitor and the accountant change jobs for a change. I didn't like some of what the libs did and I certainly wasn't a christy fan but I'm very concerned about the direction we're headed in both provincially and federally.
This year while hunting up north in BC we have a hunter down the road attacked by a dirty ol sow with 2 large cubs. Luckily for the hunter she was ill and had no teeth left which helped him not get dragged away.
And while cow calling we had a 9 ft sow come into us at 100 yards. Out of our group of 8 we usually get 3 or 4 leh for grizz. This year 1 and that fellow couldn't make it.
It's a shame hunting is going backwards in conservation and science each day
And while cow calling we had a 9 ft sow come into us at 100 yards. Out of our group of 8 we usually get 3 or 4 leh for grizz. This year 1 and that fellow couldn't make it.
It's a shame hunting is going backwards in conservation and science each day
Yep...a few Hippy campers will get eaten....more Bears equals more competition for food....same as Ontarios Spring Bear hunt cancellation....
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
The good news is while I t may have looked 9', but she was very unlikely to be. You'd have to be on Kodiak or the Alaska peninsula and even there that just almost doesn't happen..
This was our estimate as she stood up to look around and try to catch our wind better. I will agree, she looked 9 ft. What she was in reality was big, how big I can't be sure. I would have really like to have checked in person, on the ground but no dice
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Probably a good 7' sow, even those are rare away from the salmon fed coast, but I will see a 7 1/2 sow once a year. The honest answer despite the Internet and all the 10' talk is the vast majority of the males shot on Kodiak don't hit 9'. Lots of post skin stretching numbers. This is a male I guided last year 8'2 nose to tail and 9 claw to claw. Standing up head would be above a basketball hoop, and he doesn't make 9' unfortunately.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
His skin's tubed, he's not actually that skinny. Your estimate is not at all goofy and not attacking, just bears have the most ground shrinkage of anything, even the biggest grizzlies are only hip high animals much of the time. There's a government weighed 1,011lb Grizzly in the Smithers airport and he'd be dwarfed by a small cow.
large grizzly in Whitehorse ... that is not for sure a Kodiak ...
