Out back signs that are posted?
- Thread starter kamlooky
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the spank
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- Planet Earth Wearing My Tinfoil Hat
If you are curious about what's beyond that sign maybe do a little detective work and find out who owns the property and go from there?
BTW was through your neck of the woods last week. Not much sign of winter left other than a bit of mixed rain/snow coming down on the Coq about 15 mins west of Kamloops.
I admit I would question a fence and no trespassing sign mysalf just not sumthing you see in the BC bush
I have worked with helicopters fore years and we never put up a fence don't think it's Evan legal to put up a fence around staging area
I have worked with helicopters fore years and we never put up a fence don't think it's Evan legal to put up a fence around staging area
"district bylaw" sounds weird out in the bush. There isn't a water basin for city use in there by chance? Or...
I came across something similar when elk hunting in region 4 - where the gov had logged/processed an area to create a blue bird habitat.
I came across something similar when elk hunting in region 4 - where the gov had logged/processed an area to create a blue bird habitat.
I did some google earth searching and it could very well be the outside perimeter of Loogie Lake
boundarys.
I will wander into our city hall and find out the where the perimeters are on that side.
Golf course from a bird's eye view isn't that far away so it could be a concern of
the town folk on bees buzzing by that shouldn't be doing so.
Thanks for the replies folks.
And Spankie, if you came over the Coq, you could of stopped in for a Java.
But then agin, you were probably in the "bern the fewl" mode.
boundarys.
I will wander into our city hall and find out the where the perimeters are on that side.
Golf course from a bird's eye view isn't that far away so it could be a concern of
the town folk on bees buzzing by that shouldn't be doing so.
Thanks for the replies folks.
And Spankie, if you came over the Coq, you could of stopped in for a Java.
But then agin, you were probably in the "bern the fewl" mode.
smelly pete
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- Chilliwack, BC
I've seen that exact sign posted at intervals around leased fenced grazing land up around Princeton? Maybe a generic sign copied off the intrewebs by farmers? Was it the only one, Kamlooky?
Looks home made, but when we saw them we just assumed it was a stab at No Trespassing, Please Don't Shoot My Cows, They're Not Moose signage.
Looks home made, but when we saw them we just assumed it was a stab at No Trespassing, Please Don't Shoot My Cows, They're Not Moose signage.
Only one I could see.
I was out snooping about as it's still somewhat winter up here at 3500'.
Took some side roads off the main and all ended up with too much snow drift
to go much further.
New to the area and I enjoy puttering about in the bush.
Future hunting, fishing and farwood expeditions.
Seen a grouse court'in a feathered gal that day too.
Fun to wartch.
I was out snooping about as it's still somewhat winter up here at 3500'.
Took some side roads off the main and all ended up with too much snow drift
to go much further.
New to the area and I enjoy puttering about in the bush.
Future hunting, fishing and farwood expeditions.
Seen a grouse court'in a feathered gal that day too.
Fun to wartch.
OK, the pieces are staring to fill in. It sounds like these are a generic sign that can be found in different locations in th BC interior. I believe Kamlooky's sign was near Logan Lake, smelly pete saw one near Princeton, I saw one last fall near Cache Creek. All identical, widely scattered. Generic signs with no indication of a posting authority , just a vague reference to RCMP, etc. The sign I saw was high in the mountains, definitely in close proximitity to another old sign referencing helicopters but the two signs may not have been connected. The 'road' consisted of nothing more than a dirt track. The observed fence was abandoned and thoroughly mangled, had been that way for many years, my impression that because it was crown range land that the fence may have been a drift fence at one time many years ago but the fence was abandoned long before any sign went up. In my experience Indian Reserves when posted are usually marked with good signs identifying the area as reserve land and include the name of the band. We covered many miles on nearly every driveable track and trail in the area, this was the only sign we saw and it was beside the best route through the area. And this lone sign was waaay back in the hills, miles from even a logging road! Our conclusion was that this was an unauthorized sign posted by unknown persons to illegally restrict access to public crown land for reasons unknown. If they aren't willing to identify themselves or their authority they get no respect from me.
Well worded Ashcroft.
I'm new to the area and drive a one of a kind sort of vehicle.
Last thing on my agenda is to start pizz'in peepole awff.
Before I enter this area, I will know the whut-fores of this sign.
I can only imagine as time marches on, more and more areas will be closed,
gated, signed and such to keep common folk out.
Just as has happened on the lower mainland where trashers head for the hills
with their shewt'im up garbage and attitude that goes with it.
I'm new to the area and drive a one of a kind sort of vehicle.
Last thing on my agenda is to start pizz'in peepole awff.
Before I enter this area, I will know the whut-fores of this sign.
I can only imagine as time marches on, more and more areas will be closed,
gated, signed and such to keep common folk out.
Just as has happened on the lower mainland where trashers head for the hills
with their shewt'im up garbage and attitude that goes with it.
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Are we allowed to put up keep out city people sights I think is a grait idea haahaa
Apparently Thy work good on Kamlooky jk Haahaa
Are we allowed to put up keep out city people sights I think is a grait idea haahaa
Apparently Thy work good on Kamlooky jk Haahaa
Outcast
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Not sure what provincial legislation is for other provinces but here is BC
Definitions
1 In this Act:
"authorized person" means a person authorized by an occupier of premises to exercise a power or perform a duty of the occupier under this Act;
"enclosed land" includes land that is
(a) surrounded by a lawful fence defined under this Act,
(b) surrounded by a lawful fence and a natural boundary or by a natural boundary alone, or
(c) posted with signs prohibiting trespass in accordance with section 5 (1);
"occupier", in relation to premises, means
(a) if the premises are land, including enclosed land, foreshore and land covered by water, or are property described in paragraph (a) of the definition of "premises", a person entitled to maintain an action of trespass in respect of those premises,
(b) if the premises are property described in paragraph (b) or (c) of the definition of "premises", a person lawfully entitled to possession of those premises, and
(c) if the premises are water, a person described in paragraph (a) of this definition in relation to the land under the water,
and includes a person who
(d) has responsibility for and control over the condition of the premises or the activities there carried on, or
(e) has control over persons allowed to enter the premises;
"owner", in relation to land, means a person registered in the land title office as the owner of the estate in fee simple of the land;
"premises" means land, including enclosed land, foreshore and land covered by water, and anything on the land including
(a) a building or other permanent structure,
(b) a ship or vessel, train, railway car or vehicle, except while in operation,
(c) a trailer or a portable structure designed or used as a residence, for shelter or to house a business, and
(d) water;
"vehicle" has the same meaning as in the Motor Vehicle Act.
Definition of lawful fence
2 The Lieutenant Governor in Council may, by regulation, do one or more of the following:
(a) define a lawful fence for the purpose of this Act in the area described in the order;
(b) define a lawful fence for the purpose of dividing the right of way, grounds or property of a railway company to which the Railway Act applies from other land, whether belonging to the railway company or not;
(c) define a lawful fence for the purpose of protecting any stack of hay or grain.
Owners in rural area responsible for lawful fence
3 (1) Unless otherwise agreed, the owners of adjoining land in a rural area must make, keep up and repair the lawful fence and any natural boundary between their respective land.
(2) Each of the owners is liable to the other for 1/2 of any cost reasonably incurred for the purposes of subsection (1).
(3) This section is not binding on the government.
(4) This section does not apply on treaty lands.
Trespass prohibited
4 (1) Subject to section 4.1, a person commits an offence if the person does any of the following:
(a) enters premises that are enclosed land;
(b) enters premises after the person has had notice from an occupier of the premises or an authorized person that the entry is prohibited;
(c) engages in activity on or in premises after the person has had notice from an occupier of the premises or an authorized person that the activity is prohibited.
(2) A person found on or in premises that are enclosed land is presumed not to have the consent of an occupier or an authorized person to be there.
(3) Subject to section 4.1, a person who has been directed, either orally or in writing, by an occupier of premises or an authorized person to
(a) leave the premises, or
(b) stop engaging in an activity on or in the premises,
commits an offence if the person
(c) does not leave the premises or stop the activity, as applicable, as soon as practicable after receiving the direction, or
(d) re-enters the premises or resumes the activity on or in the premises.
Defences to trespass
4.1 A person may not be convicted of an offence under section 4 in relation to premises if the person's action or inaction, as applicable to the offence, was with
(a) the consent of an occupier of the premises or an authorized person,
(b) other lawful authority, or
(c) colour of right.
Methods of giving or posting notice
5 (1) For the purposes of paragraph (c) of the definition of "enclosed land", signs must be posted so that, in daylight and under normal weather conditions, from the approach to each ordinary point of access to the enclosed land,
(a) a sign is clearly visible,
(b) if a sign contains writing, the writing is clearly legible, and
(c) if a sign uses graphic representation, the graphic representation is clearly visible.
(2) For the purposes of section 4 (1) (b) or (c), notice may be given
(a) orally or in writing, or
(b) by means of a sign posted at or near an ordinary point of access to the premises so that, in daylight and under normal weather conditions from the approach to the ordinary point of access, the sign satisfies the requirements of subsection (1) (a), (b) and (c) of this section.
(3) In a prosecution for an offence under section 4 (1) (a), (b) or (c), proof that a sign that complies with subsection (1) or (2) (b) of this section, as applicable, was posted at the ordinary point of access used by the defendant to enter the premises is sufficient for the purpose of establishing, as applicable, that
(a) the premises are enclosed land, or
(b) notice was given for the purpose of section 4 (1) (b) or (c).
(4) A sign, posted in accordance with subsection (2) (b), that names an activity and has an oblique line drawn through the name or that shows a graphic representation of an activity and has an oblique line drawn through the representation is sufficient for the purpose of giving notice that the activity is prohibited.
(5) A notice under this section may relate to all or a part of premises and different notices may be given or posted in relation to different parts of premises.
(6) A person, other than an occupier or authorized person, must not remove, alter or deface signs posted for the purpose of subsection (1) or (2) (b).
(7) A person who contravenes subsection (6) commits an offence.
Prosecution not defeated by variation in fence
6 The prosecution of a person for an offence under section 4 (1) (a) is not defeated only because the fence is not of a uniform height, or that the spaces between the bars, boards or rails of the fence, or any of them, are larger than 150 mm.
Repealed
7 [Repealed 2004-73-5.]
Trespasser must give name and address
8 (1) On the demand of an occupier of premises, or an authorized person, who has reasonable grounds to believe that a person is on or in the premises, or was on or in the premises, in contravention of section 4 (1) (a), (b) or (c) or (3), the person must provide the occupier or authorized person with his or her correct name and address.
(2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) commits an offence.
(3) A person who contravenes subsection (1) and remains on or in the premises commits an offence.
Repealed
9 [Repealed 2004-73-5.]
Section 5 of the Offence Act
9.1 Section 5 of the Offence Act does not apply to this Act or the regulations.
Arrest without warrant
10 (1) In this section, "peace officer" means a peace officer described in paragraph (c) of the definition of "peace officer" in section 29 of the Interpretation Act and includes a conservation officer as defined in section 1 (1) of the Environmental Management Act.
(2) A peace officer may arrest without warrant any person found on or in premises if the peace officer believes on reasonable and probable grounds that the person is committing an offence under section 4 in relation to the premises.
(3) If a peace officer believes on reasonable and probable grounds that a person has committed an offence under section 4 and has recently departed from the premises, the peace officer may arrest the person without warrant if
(a) the person refuses to give his or her name and address to the peace officer on demand, or
(b) the peace officer believes, on reasonable and probable grounds, that the name or address given by the person to the peace officer is false.
Court may order compensation
11 (1) The Provincial Court, on application of an occupier of premises or another person injured, may order a person convicted of an offence under section 4 or 5 (7) in relation to those premises to pay restitution for the damage or loss that was sustained by the occupier or other person as a result of the commission of the offence.
(2) If an order is made against a defendant under subsection (1), no action for damage for trespass lies against the defendant for the loss or damage of the occupier or other person sustained as a result of the commission of the offence.
Repealed
12–14 [Repealed 2004-73-7.]
Power to make regulations
15 The Lieutenant Governor in Council may make regulations referred to in section 41 of the Interpretation Act.
Definitions
1 In this Act:
"authorized person" means a person authorized by an occupier of premises to exercise a power or perform a duty of the occupier under this Act;
"enclosed land" includes land that is
(a) surrounded by a lawful fence defined under this Act,
(b) surrounded by a lawful fence and a natural boundary or by a natural boundary alone, or
(c) posted with signs prohibiting trespass in accordance with section 5 (1);
"occupier", in relation to premises, means
(a) if the premises are land, including enclosed land, foreshore and land covered by water, or are property described in paragraph (a) of the definition of "premises", a person entitled to maintain an action of trespass in respect of those premises,
(b) if the premises are property described in paragraph (b) or (c) of the definition of "premises", a person lawfully entitled to possession of those premises, and
(c) if the premises are water, a person described in paragraph (a) of this definition in relation to the land under the water,
and includes a person who
(d) has responsibility for and control over the condition of the premises or the activities there carried on, or
(e) has control over persons allowed to enter the premises;
"owner", in relation to land, means a person registered in the land title office as the owner of the estate in fee simple of the land;
"premises" means land, including enclosed land, foreshore and land covered by water, and anything on the land including
(a) a building or other permanent structure,
(b) a ship or vessel, train, railway car or vehicle, except while in operation,
(c) a trailer or a portable structure designed or used as a residence, for shelter or to house a business, and
(d) water;
"vehicle" has the same meaning as in the Motor Vehicle Act.
Definition of lawful fence
2 The Lieutenant Governor in Council may, by regulation, do one or more of the following:
(a) define a lawful fence for the purpose of this Act in the area described in the order;
(b) define a lawful fence for the purpose of dividing the right of way, grounds or property of a railway company to which the Railway Act applies from other land, whether belonging to the railway company or not;
(c) define a lawful fence for the purpose of protecting any stack of hay or grain.
Owners in rural area responsible for lawful fence
3 (1) Unless otherwise agreed, the owners of adjoining land in a rural area must make, keep up and repair the lawful fence and any natural boundary between their respective land.
(2) Each of the owners is liable to the other for 1/2 of any cost reasonably incurred for the purposes of subsection (1).
(3) This section is not binding on the government.
(4) This section does not apply on treaty lands.
Trespass prohibited
4 (1) Subject to section 4.1, a person commits an offence if the person does any of the following:
(a) enters premises that are enclosed land;
(b) enters premises after the person has had notice from an occupier of the premises or an authorized person that the entry is prohibited;
(c) engages in activity on or in premises after the person has had notice from an occupier of the premises or an authorized person that the activity is prohibited.
(2) A person found on or in premises that are enclosed land is presumed not to have the consent of an occupier or an authorized person to be there.
(3) Subject to section 4.1, a person who has been directed, either orally or in writing, by an occupier of premises or an authorized person to
(a) leave the premises, or
(b) stop engaging in an activity on or in the premises,
commits an offence if the person
(c) does not leave the premises or stop the activity, as applicable, as soon as practicable after receiving the direction, or
(d) re-enters the premises or resumes the activity on or in the premises.
Defences to trespass
4.1 A person may not be convicted of an offence under section 4 in relation to premises if the person's action or inaction, as applicable to the offence, was with
(a) the consent of an occupier of the premises or an authorized person,
(b) other lawful authority, or
(c) colour of right.
Methods of giving or posting notice
5 (1) For the purposes of paragraph (c) of the definition of "enclosed land", signs must be posted so that, in daylight and under normal weather conditions, from the approach to each ordinary point of access to the enclosed land,
(a) a sign is clearly visible,
(b) if a sign contains writing, the writing is clearly legible, and
(c) if a sign uses graphic representation, the graphic representation is clearly visible.
(2) For the purposes of section 4 (1) (b) or (c), notice may be given
(a) orally or in writing, or
(b) by means of a sign posted at or near an ordinary point of access to the premises so that, in daylight and under normal weather conditions from the approach to the ordinary point of access, the sign satisfies the requirements of subsection (1) (a), (b) and (c) of this section.
(3) In a prosecution for an offence under section 4 (1) (a), (b) or (c), proof that a sign that complies with subsection (1) or (2) (b) of this section, as applicable, was posted at the ordinary point of access used by the defendant to enter the premises is sufficient for the purpose of establishing, as applicable, that
(a) the premises are enclosed land, or
(b) notice was given for the purpose of section 4 (1) (b) or (c).
(4) A sign, posted in accordance with subsection (2) (b), that names an activity and has an oblique line drawn through the name or that shows a graphic representation of an activity and has an oblique line drawn through the representation is sufficient for the purpose of giving notice that the activity is prohibited.
(5) A notice under this section may relate to all or a part of premises and different notices may be given or posted in relation to different parts of premises.
(6) A person, other than an occupier or authorized person, must not remove, alter or deface signs posted for the purpose of subsection (1) or (2) (b).
(7) A person who contravenes subsection (6) commits an offence.
Prosecution not defeated by variation in fence
6 The prosecution of a person for an offence under section 4 (1) (a) is not defeated only because the fence is not of a uniform height, or that the spaces between the bars, boards or rails of the fence, or any of them, are larger than 150 mm.
Repealed
7 [Repealed 2004-73-5.]
Trespasser must give name and address
8 (1) On the demand of an occupier of premises, or an authorized person, who has reasonable grounds to believe that a person is on or in the premises, or was on or in the premises, in contravention of section 4 (1) (a), (b) or (c) or (3), the person must provide the occupier or authorized person with his or her correct name and address.
(2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) commits an offence.
(3) A person who contravenes subsection (1) and remains on or in the premises commits an offence.
Repealed
9 [Repealed 2004-73-5.]
Section 5 of the Offence Act
9.1 Section 5 of the Offence Act does not apply to this Act or the regulations.
Arrest without warrant
10 (1) In this section, "peace officer" means a peace officer described in paragraph (c) of the definition of "peace officer" in section 29 of the Interpretation Act and includes a conservation officer as defined in section 1 (1) of the Environmental Management Act.
(2) A peace officer may arrest without warrant any person found on or in premises if the peace officer believes on reasonable and probable grounds that the person is committing an offence under section 4 in relation to the premises.
(3) If a peace officer believes on reasonable and probable grounds that a person has committed an offence under section 4 and has recently departed from the premises, the peace officer may arrest the person without warrant if
(a) the person refuses to give his or her name and address to the peace officer on demand, or
(b) the peace officer believes, on reasonable and probable grounds, that the name or address given by the person to the peace officer is false.
Court may order compensation
11 (1) The Provincial Court, on application of an occupier of premises or another person injured, may order a person convicted of an offence under section 4 or 5 (7) in relation to those premises to pay restitution for the damage or loss that was sustained by the occupier or other person as a result of the commission of the offence.
(2) If an order is made against a defendant under subsection (1), no action for damage for trespass lies against the defendant for the loss or damage of the occupier or other person sustained as a result of the commission of the offence.
Repealed
12–14 [Repealed 2004-73-7.]
Power to make regulations
15 The Lieutenant Governor in Council may make regulations referred to in section 41 of the Interpretation Act.
Holy cow Now I know city people are crazy going to need a Minivan to pack a rulebook on a outing lol
With all due respect, says who?!
Bylaw signs reference... well, BYLAWS. That sign has no teeth as far as I'm concerned. If it's public property, I'd use it as such.
I think you are right to question the sign. In my area the people purchase 1-2 acre acreages and squat the rest. I have had run ins with these land squatters on "their" property and also on my own as it seems they feel entitled to explore my private property while simultaneously denying people access to public property.
Call2Arms is right. I've seen the same thing happen here in Mb where someone slaps a "no trespassing" or "No Hunting" sign at a trailhead and keeps all the other hunters off of public land. A friend of mine had a family friend pull that trick every year, putting them up just before deer hunting season and told anyone who asked that he had just bought the property. Kinda hard to challenge that little bit of trickery when land title changes take a few weeks to get on the books, and you are out in the boonies.
No, it wouldn't be a "bylaw" sign unless it was based on a TNRD official template complete with contact information and logo. Any "real" agency - be it Regional District, Conservation Officer Service or RCMP - that posted such an amateurish sign would be lectured by the judge if a case went to court based on that document.
Been in a hunting party on the West Coast a number of times and we have used cross bucks and yellow "Do Not Enter/Active Faling" in progress and it has kept the city slickers from heading into the clearcuts��
I'm of the opinion it is someone's sign placed for their own peace and use of the land...
But, it is best to find out for certain before risking a visit with the Gendarme myself.
Rob
I'm of the opinion it is someone's sign placed for their own peace and use of the land...
But, it is best to find out for certain before risking a visit with the Gendarme myself.
Rob
My understanding as explained by the local gent is that beyond that sign is municipality and local
by-laws will take effect backed by the local RCMP force.
Lots to learn in Loogie Lake and I sure don't wish to rawk el barka.
Sounds like the big city dwellers come up and terrorize the country side with atvs, utvs and dirt bikes.
Pretty soon I'm gonna face the Harrison Lake closures.
Then I'll have to move in with Caverk.
Never carved a totem pole before, but life is an experience................aye?
by-laws will take effect backed by the local RCMP force.
Lots to learn in Loogie Lake and I sure don't wish to rawk el barka.
Sounds like the big city dwellers come up and terrorize the country side with atvs, utvs and dirt bikes.
Pretty soon I'm gonna face the Harrison Lake closures.
Then I'll have to move in with Caverk.
Never carved a totem pole before, but life is an experience................aye?
