Out of the box accuracy of Norinco M305?

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I am seriously considering buy an M305, but I know they can be a bit of a money pit as you can spend a small fortune on upgrading them. I would rather buy an m305 but the appeal of a great out of the box shooter is much more so appealing. Does anyone know the MOA I could get with commercial non surplus grade ammo with a non upgraded m305?
 
Mine hit min of dinner plate out of the box at 100 yards .........thats 50ys old,with peep sight s and a 8 inch metal gong ...ive upgraded the sights and put in a fluted spring guide and a better flash supresor ...i now have ping ...and min of dinner plate at 100 yards ...i can now hit the 100 gong every time i pull the triger..and 2 out of 3 at 200 yards most days .......thats with norinco ammo ...
 
The ones I've owned were reliable shooters, but were 3 to 4 moa-ish at best. BUT...this was some time ago (mid 1990's). People have said that Norincos have been improving over the years, and credible people have stated much better results.

I'm still turned off by the crooked front sights that I still see, and unreliable rear sights.
 
Well both mine started out about 2moa... Then degraged to 8-10 moa around the 200 round mark. The one then exploded in my face... My buddies did the same, started with a tighter group then :bigHug::bigHug::bigHug::bigHug: the bed after it broke in. the comman problem was the gas system going from tight to lose fitting, and on the one that blew up the bolt lugs started to compress causing exsesive head space. If you buy one... Buy shims, its about 15 bucks from brownells and 4 weeks for shipping, and dont forget a new flash supressor and castle nut, you have 50/50 odds of wrecking your stock one when you break the welds so it can be removed (it needs to come off to shim the gas system).
Im in over $800 on my second norc (so about $1300 with the cost of the gun) just for a 2moa rifle.
 
allarile260 said:
I am seriously considering buy an M305, but I know they can be a bit of a money pit as you can spend a small fortune on upgrading them. I would rather buy an m305 but the appeal of a great out of the box shooter is much more so appealing. Does anyone know the MOA I could get with commercial non surplus grade ammo with a non upgraded m305?
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They are very accurate rifles for semi auto battle rifles just as they are.

If your rear sights elevate and windage adjust properly it will shoot just fine.
There are very few relevant upgrades that will actually improve the accuracy of the rifle without dropping retarded amounts of cash to end up spending the same amount as the price tag on a springfield M1A that will probably end up shooting maybe, what, a quarter inch smaller groups?

Basically mine is stock condition other than a set of M1A rear sights and the Boyds stock I got on discount when they had a sale.
I just had it out last weekend and I shot at least 2-3 four shot groups that were less than 1.5" at 100 meters with the irons from the prone using quality Federal 168 gr.
I took pics and am going to post a thread on the stock capabilities of these beauties as soon as photobucket un-f*cks itself lol

They are awesome rifles for a semi auto battle rifle and the price especially that you can get them for. They can be money pits if you choose to make them that way for sure. High quality ammo or precision hand loads will make them more accurate than any pointless part swapping or modifications.
 
Mine was 3 MOA out of the box. Now , after 7 years and over $5000 (including the cost of the gun) what I have (besides an emotional issue) is a Norinco M14 that I get about 1 moa groups, maybe 3/4 if all the conditions are perfect. Most of the dollars have (admittedly) gone to lipstick but here's a summary
Vltor stock
CASM mount
fire lapped barrel (this should get some opinions going)
Leupold Mk V scope
guide rod and buffer
trigger job to get a positive 2 stage measured at 4 lbs total with the second stage using only about 1 lb to break.
and a bunch of superflous jewellery.
All I use is standard M118LR. I don't handload.

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Don't expect them to shoot like a HB Rem 700, cause they won't.

If you want extreme accuracy, don't start with the M14, buy a bolt action.

They are a military old school battle rifle, but with proper ammo or handloading 2 moa and under can be expected.

If you are capable of shooting that with irons.
 
Travis Bickle said:
...They are awesome rifles for a semi auto battle rifle and the price especially that you can get them for. They can be money pits if you choose to make them that way for sure...
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Absolutely agree!! I spent the money 'cause that's what I wanted to do, not to try to make it a tack driver, they never will be.
 
Norinco should really just offer a loaded m14 for around 700 or 800$ heavy barrel match spring guide unitized gas system and a bedded stock and maby a lighter trigger I would pay extra for this ... Or why doesn't a shop just do this work and sell them pre built would get a ton of business I bet
 
I love tinkering with my m305. Iv tightened the whole rifle up super snug, USGI stock, Italian rear sights, USGI front iron, upgraded spring and spring guide rod.l And USGI strippe clip guide and I love it. With decent hand loads it shoots 1 1/2 - 2 MOA. With box fed ammo about 3-4" groups and Norinco ammo.. Well minute of barn? I also have a 22" and 18.5 barrel i can Switch between as i feel fit.

It's a super reliable platform and happily serves as my utility rifle. Which I feel I could comfertably engage a zombie at 5-600 yrds.

If this is what your looking for then go for it! If your plans are to build a budget long range sniper rig. Buy a bolt gun. But the main Battle rifle forum is the friendly it's group on CGN and you will be amazed at how many shooters you meet do or use to own an m305
 
liberty said:
Don't expect them to shoot like a HB Rem 700, cause they won't.

If you want extreme accuracy, don't start with the M14, buy a bolt action.

They are a military old school battle rifle, but with proper ammo or handloading 2 moa and under can be expected.

If you are capable of shooting that with irons.
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That's true, but if the OP has the $$ resources, he can get a National Match/Super Match Springfield which will rival/beat many bolt guns.:stirthepot2:
 
After a ten round function check, my standard size Norc M305 groups (three shot groups) just over 1.2" at 50m with open sights. I'm shooting Hornady 150gr SST and Hornady 168gr AMAX match ammo. I've only put 40 rounds through it so far, and everything is still tight- seeing as I am an average shooter, I'm picking that with a scope I'll be under 2MOA at 100m. Only mods I'm waiting for are a Black Feather Op Rod Guide and a new spring. So far so good! I spent several years debating whether it was worth getting one of these and I can tell you they are well worth their cheap cost. Massive fun to shoot, easy to clean and accurate to top it off. I got me a shooter! Next purchase will be a CASM scope mount and then I'm ready to start laying down some serious fire on the hordes of feral goats that we've got over in the north island of NZ.
 
BattleRife said:
The M14 is not inherently an accurate rifle design. Probably not 1 in 10 is capable of 2 MOA, and only a small fraction of those could do 1 MOA.

Out of the box guns can be expected to shoot 3-4 MOA.
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That's exactly what baffles me about people and choosing this gun lol
They buy a loose, wide toleranced, battle rifle and expect it to be able to hollow out a dollar coin at 200 meters out of the box or by dropping tons of cash on it.

The M14 is one hell of a battle rifle. But it is no precision rifle by design or function.

You can save hundreds of dollars by just starting with a moderately priced .308 Win bolt gun if you're looking for tack driving accuracy, you'll get there much faster and with a lot more money left in your bank.

And that is the best advice anyone ever gave me about the M14 :D lol
 
U.S. G. I. M-14s were expected to do 4 minutes. That's from the U.S. manufactures! I'm thinking our Chinese brothers are doing pretty well for us for the money we spend on these rifles. They are fun to shoot, basically accurate and a great rifle to get into the "Service Rifle" scene with.

Scott
 
I suspect most people who buy a M14 aren't looking for a tack driver, rather to have a semi auto battle rifle that has decent accuracy. The fun part for me was building it up to try to get it as good as it can be, not just accuracy but looks and functionality too. Most of the money I spent wasn't for accuracy at all. But I do consistantly get 1 MOA and have gotten a little less a few times.
 
ha ha ha

Wait until you shoot a NM tuned Krieger (or Douglas or Hart or Obermyer or other name brand) Hvy barrel Devcon'ed into a McMillan M1A National Match stock. The entire unit pings every time and cloverleafs at 100m. My problem is I cannot hold that unit steady enough. :eek:

But I do agree, you will achieve tighter groups sooner, and cheaper than a box stock Norc/M1A when you begin with a Savage, M700 or Sako or Tikka

OTOH, the Norc shorty rifles are unbeatable for the Zombie Invasion of 21 Dec 2012.... :evil:

Each tool has their function. Cheers, Barney
 
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