cz452shooter said:
Forgive me for asking this but.... why in the world would you put such a high powered scope on a .22? Even for target shooting a .22 isn't much good past 100 yards is it? I'm just curious not trying to provoke anyone.
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Forgive me for asking this but.... why in the world would you put such a high powered scope on a .22? Even for target shooting a .22 isn't much good past 100 yards is it? I'm just curious not trying to provoke anyone.
cz452shooter
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Hi there Turbo,
When bench shooting, even for .22's at 25 yards, I like to have as much power as possible. I can shoot much better, at any distance with a 24x or 36x, then I can with say a 9 power, or something like that.
Most lower end scopes are not designed for benchrest shooting anyway. The crosshairs on a 9 power scope, might take up 5/8" at 100 yards, with is way to much if you are trying to be precice. And obviously you can see better with a higher power scope then you can with a lower power scope, providing that the optics are clear.
Now the scopes I listed are not meant for Target shooting, they are meant more for maybe varmint shooting, ect. However, they do cover signicantly less space on the target then a lower power scope.
Another thing, is that with the higher power scope, you have AO (adjustable objective). With adjustable objective, you are able to zoom in real close (15 yards) on higher powers (24x). If set right, it illuminates any reticle movement (paralex), which can result in a real loss of accuracy.
When I was shooting the USBR targets with my CZ, I could get about 230 at 25 yards with my simmons 9 power scope, and when I got a Tasco 24 power scope, I could get around 242 or so...
So higher magnifcation is definatley a huge advantage
On my benchrest guns (I have 3: Anschutz 54, Valmet Finnish Lion, and Winchester 52D) I have a 20x fixed on one, a 24x leupold fixed on anohter, and a 6-24 on anohter. I would never consider any less power...
When bench shooting, even for .22's at 25 yards, I like to have as much power as possible. I can shoot much better, at any distance with a 24x or 36x, then I can with say a 9 power, or something like that.
Most lower end scopes are not designed for benchrest shooting anyway. The crosshairs on a 9 power scope, might take up 5/8" at 100 yards, with is way to much if you are trying to be precice. And obviously you can see better with a higher power scope then you can with a lower power scope, providing that the optics are clear.
Now the scopes I listed are not meant for Target shooting, they are meant more for maybe varmint shooting, ect. However, they do cover signicantly less space on the target then a lower power scope.
Another thing, is that with the higher power scope, you have AO (adjustable objective). With adjustable objective, you are able to zoom in real close (15 yards) on higher powers (24x). If set right, it illuminates any reticle movement (paralex), which can result in a real loss of accuracy.
When I was shooting the USBR targets with my CZ, I could get about 230 at 25 yards with my simmons 9 power scope, and when I got a Tasco 24 power scope, I could get around 242 or so...
So higher magnifcation is definatley a huge advantage
On my benchrest guns (I have 3: Anschutz 54, Valmet Finnish Lion, and Winchester 52D) I have a 20x fixed on one, a 24x leupold fixed on anohter, and a 6-24 on anohter. I would never consider any less power...
I think you need to decide what discipline she wants to shoot. If she plans to get into sporting rifle or match rifle competitions then scopes probably won't factor into the equation. Aperature sights will be more useful. So she might be better off looking at a used Anschutz or Walther as some people have already suggested. But if she is looking at something more casual, then I've heard lots of great things about the CZ's. All comes down to what she intends to do and how much $$ you have to spend.
Accuracy for the $? Find and buy a good used Brno #1,2, or 3. Very accurate rifles, and way less then comparable Euro gear. - dan
StealthRhino
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Thanks for all your suggestions. My wife had a chance to shoot a couple of bolts this weekend (Cooey and Savage) and decided that she prefers the 10/22. My plan now is to pick up another one and I'll start doing some wokr on that. I'll let her see if she likes the changes before I do it to hers.
cz452shooter
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Just some suggestions for you Stealth Rino
Barrels
As you probably know, a good barrel is essential for good accuracy. Without a good barrel, you won't be pleased with accuracy. There are several barrels out there ranging from Butler Creek, GM, shilen, Lilja, Clark, Clerk, ect.
If I were you, the only two I would consider would be Lilja and GM, or Green mountain. The lilja is going to cost a lot more then the GM.
I have a GM barrel on my 10/22 (.920 bull barrel, 20" blued), and I am VERY HAPPY with it. It is very accurate, infact, almost as accurate as some of my benchrest guns at 25 yards.
The lilja may be a tad more accurate, so it is up to you if you want to spend up to 3 or 4 times more to get that tad bit more of accuracy, but if you are looking for the best bang for the buck, GM would be the one without a doubt. I wouldn't ever get a butler creek barrel (they are somewhat hit and miss)
Stocks:
Again, there are many choices for stocks out there, from skinny sporter stocks, to wide benchrest stocks. On my "Ultimate" 10/22, I have a Revival industries Yukon stock in electric blue. It is made more for offhand shooting I believe, but the forend, nearer to the trigger gaurd has a flater section that I rest on the bags.
THere are some good choices for stocks that are made for more benchrest purposes. A good one to look at would be the Bell and Carlson anschutz style stock. It is very flat on the bottom, and has a design that will ride the bags better. If you can afford it, Mcmillian makes some very nice benchrest stocks, but they are a lot of money.
Triggers:
You can spend $30 to do a trigger job, or you can spend close to $300 (for a kdd).
There are several choices for triggers that I would look at. If your looking for a good cheap way to get a fairly light trigger (around the 2.5lbs range) the VQ hammer would be a good choice. Another choice would be Skeeters trigger kit (this is what I have on my 10/22). The triggger is around 1.8lbs, nice for allaround shooting.
Again, there is also a very expensive way to do things. The Kidd trigger is a very very nice trigger, that will get pull weight down to around the 6-8oz range. It comes with a cost though. At around $300 US it is very pricy.
One other option would be to modify the trigger you have now. This involves changing the angle of the "hook" on the hammer, by grinding away until your are around the 3.9 Degree area I believe. Preatty hard to do if your not confident doing it. This is what I did with my 10/22, along with slight polishing, and the trigger is around the 2 pound range.
A good rest is also neccessery for good shooting. Here is a picture of some rests I have
Hope this helps
Jordan
Barrels
As you probably know, a good barrel is essential for good accuracy. Without a good barrel, you won't be pleased with accuracy. There are several barrels out there ranging from Butler Creek, GM, shilen, Lilja, Clark, Clerk, ect.
If I were you, the only two I would consider would be Lilja and GM, or Green mountain. The lilja is going to cost a lot more then the GM.
I have a GM barrel on my 10/22 (.920 bull barrel, 20" blued), and I am VERY HAPPY with it. It is very accurate, infact, almost as accurate as some of my benchrest guns at 25 yards.
The lilja may be a tad more accurate, so it is up to you if you want to spend up to 3 or 4 times more to get that tad bit more of accuracy, but if you are looking for the best bang for the buck, GM would be the one without a doubt. I wouldn't ever get a butler creek barrel (they are somewhat hit and miss)
Stocks:
Again, there are many choices for stocks out there, from skinny sporter stocks, to wide benchrest stocks. On my "Ultimate" 10/22, I have a Revival industries Yukon stock in electric blue. It is made more for offhand shooting I believe, but the forend, nearer to the trigger gaurd has a flater section that I rest on the bags.
THere are some good choices for stocks that are made for more benchrest purposes. A good one to look at would be the Bell and Carlson anschutz style stock. It is very flat on the bottom, and has a design that will ride the bags better. If you can afford it, Mcmillian makes some very nice benchrest stocks, but they are a lot of money.
Triggers:
You can spend $30 to do a trigger job, or you can spend close to $300 (for a kdd).
There are several choices for triggers that I would look at. If your looking for a good cheap way to get a fairly light trigger (around the 2.5lbs range) the VQ hammer would be a good choice. Another choice would be Skeeters trigger kit (this is what I have on my 10/22). The triggger is around 1.8lbs, nice for allaround shooting.
Again, there is also a very expensive way to do things. The Kidd trigger is a very very nice trigger, that will get pull weight down to around the 6-8oz range. It comes with a cost though
. At around $300 US it is very pricy. One other option would be to modify the trigger you have now. This involves changing the angle of the "hook" on the hammer, by grinding away until your are around the 3.9 Degree area I believe. Preatty hard to do if your not confident doing it. This is what I did with my 10/22, along with slight polishing, and the trigger is around the 2 pound range.
A good rest is also neccessery for good shooting. Here is a picture of some rests I have
Hope this helps
Jordan
