Out of the closet - Switchin Teams,,, well sort of!

Depending on the outer diameter I might have some leftover aluminum round bar that might work as a spacer, would be easy to turn one up if you can give me good measurements of the inner and outer diameter of the barrel ring. They’re 1 1/4” in diameter and 2” in length.

Down right neighbourly of you Bill, I tip my hat to you sir. Thk

Gentlemen, Bill has recognized I'm in a bit of a jam and offers his skills to an unknown person to assist him. Bill, you are the best of what we all aspire to. Thank you, you've made my day.

I have reached out to Tactical Ordnance and they have already responded stating that I am on a waiting list and to bide my time...they'll get to me. I have several shotguns, so I'm not in a rush and am not wanting for peace of mind.

I contemplated incorporating the bushing into the cap, just having a longer mag cap that comes down the outside of the tube to lock in the barrel, but if I'm going to Vang Comp the barrel, having a front blade post soldered on, ported, etc, etc, it would need refinished anyhow, I may as well have them move the ring while it's already on the induction solderer? I'm still on the fence about porting such a short barrel in the event an errant thumb gets in the way while cycling. Installed, the 14" on the Mossberg 835 isn't a small gun, but the action throw is noticeably longer. It shouldn't be a problem, but the forehand can get out near the muzzle, and the porting is about 3 inches back from there. It'll take some getting used to. I may just go the route of threaded chokes for the 14" barrel and Vang Comping my 20" 590A1 retro barrel? Either way, Tactical Ordnance is getting both barrels and the 835.

Open question to the group who are also switching sides, which of the two barrels would you Vang Comp vs. choke tube and why?
 
Down right neighbourly of you Bill, I tip my hat to you sir. Thk

Gentlemen, Bill has recognized I'm in a bit of a jam and offers his skills to an unknown person to assist him. Bill, you are the best of what we all aspire to. Thank you, you've made my day.

I have reached out to Tactical Ordnance and they have already responded stating that I am on a waiting list and to bide my time...they'll get to me. I have several shotguns, so I'm not in a rush and am not wanting for peace of mind.

I contemplated incorporating the bushing into the cap, just having a longer mag cap that comes down the outside of the tube to lock in the barrel, but if I'm going to Vang Comp the barrel, having a front blade post soldered on, ported, etc, etc, it would need refinished anyhow, I may as well have them move the ring while it's already on the induction solderer? I'm still on the fence about porting such a short barrel in the event an errant thumb gets in the way while cycling. Installed, the 14" on the Mossberg 835 isn't a small gun, but the action throw is noticeably longer. It shouldn't be a problem, but the forehand can get out near the muzzle, and the porting is about 3 inches back from there. It'll take some getting used to. I may just go the route of threaded chokes for the 14" barrel and Vang Comping my 20" 590A1 retro barrel? Either way, Tactical Ordnance is getting both barrels and the 835.

Open question to the group who are also switching sides, which of the two barrels would you Vang Comp vs. choke tube and why?

Hey anytime, if you want it and the 2” length will be enough just holler. If tacord is going to do the full treatment to it I’d get them to move the barrel ring, that will just look the most proper.

Id probably port the 20” and thread the 14” but I’m more of a choke guy to begin with, that said if you look at VangComp’s Instagram posts they are porting 12.5” 870 barrels so I don’t think hand placement will be all the big of a deal. Especially with practice, I tend to hold the forend closer to the receiver then the muzzle but I have average length arms.
 
Down right neighbourly of you Bill, I tip my hat to you sir.

Gentlemen, Bill has recognized I'm in a bit of a jam and offers his skills to an unknown person to assist him. Bill, you are the best of what we all aspire to. Thank you, you've made my day.

I have reached out to Tactical Ordnance and they have already responded stating that I am on a waiting list and to bide my time...they'll get to me. I have several shotguns, so I'm not in a rush and am not wanting for peace of mind.

I contemplated incorporating the bushing into the cap, just having a longer mag cap that comes down the outside of the tube to lock in the barrel, but if I'm going to Vang Comp the barrel, having a front blade post soldered on, ported, etc, etc, it would need refinished anyhow, I may as well have them move the ring while it's already on the induction solderer? I'm still on the fence about porting such a short barrel in the event an errant thumb gets in the way while cycling. Installed, the 14" on the Mossberg 835 isn't a small gun, but the action throw is noticeably longer. It shouldn't be a problem, but the forehand can get out near the muzzle, and the porting is about 3 inches back from there. It'll take some getting used to. I may just go the route of threaded chokes for the 14" barrel and Vang Comping my 20" 590A1 retro barrel? Either way, Tactical Ordnance is getting both barrels and the 835.

Open question to the group who are also switching sides, which of the two barrels would you Vang Comp vs. choke tube and why?


I have always been amazed over the years here on GunNutz of the different threads that are posted and how certain people will jump right in feet first to help when problems occur.

Thank you, Sir Butcherbill
 
Ugh, the 835 came to me today and I swear the thing's never been fired. Unfortunately, the mag tube is too long for the 14" barrel. Who makes mag caps in house?

The barrel ring is about 2" below the magazine cap, but if a cap could be made that goes over the mag tube I could totally use the barrel. Think mag extension but reversed.

The 14” barrel uses a shorter mag tube. I would have the mag tube shortened by TacOrd if you’re having them do the work, or purchase the shorter mag tube.
 
Hey anytime, if you want it and the 2” length will be enough just holler. If tacord is going to do the full treatment to it I’d get them to move the barrel ring, that will just look the most proper.

Id probably port the 20” and thread the 14” but I’m more of a choke guy to begin with, that said if you look at VangComp’s Instagram posts they are porting 12.5” 870 barrels so I don’t think hand placement will be all the big of a deal. Especially with practice, I tend to hold the forend closer to the receiver then the muzzle but I have average length arms.

Update: Bill, if it's not a terrible inconvenience I believe I will take you up on your offer and am in need to hire your lathe.

A quote from Casey at Tactical Ordnance "We do not do much work on 590s anymore. We can do the work as listed but we will not be moving barrel rings rechambering to 3.5” and we do not do Mossberg Accu choke tubes, only Remchoke, Wiinchoke and Truchoke.
I do not have any barrel heat shields.
Kindest Regards,
Casey"


Attached find pics of my vernier: Length= 1.390" (35.31 mm)/ Inner diameter= 0.920 (23.37 mm)/ Wall thickness= 0.150" ( 3.81 mm). The outer diameter is 1.279" (32.48 mm)View attachment 737384
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Feel free to PM me with a quote Bill.
Yours, Painkillers.
 
Update: Bill, if it's not a terrible inconvenience I believe I will take you up on your offer and am in need to hire your lathe.

A quote from Casey at Tactical Ordnance "We do not do much work on 590s anymore. We can do the work as listed but we will not be moving barrel rings rechambering to 3.5” and we do not do Mossberg Accu choke tubes, only Remchoke, Wiinchoke and Truchoke.
I do not have any barrel heat shields.
Kindest Regards,
Casey"


Attached find pics of my vernier: Length= 1.390" (35.31 mm)/ Inner diameter= 0.920 (23.37 mm)/ Wall thickness= 0.150" ( 3.81 mm). The outer diameter is 1.279" (32.48 mm)View attachment 737384
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Feel free to PM me with a quote Bill.
Yours, Painkillers.

PM’d you.
 
I respect the Mossberg pumps but I just can't get past the loose and clackety feel of the action.
 
I just switched sides too!
After trying out a friends and realizing how much easier it is to feed without the Remington flappy thing.
My two 870s went for these, they just arrived yesterday!
Looking for angled soft side carriers which to not exist anymore.
Next up shorten the stocks and start doing drills with dummy’s.

I may need to add two 14’s next! Thinking… thinking…

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I still have all my 870s but got rid of most of my Mossbergs and Mavericks. Still have my original 590 14-in with OEM modified choke barrel tho.
I personally didn't like the Mavericks because they are so light that makes them kick like a mule and really uncomfortable to shoot repeated rounds out of. Plus I didn't like the rattling forend.
I'm also not a fan of the Mossberg safety position or design as I've had them fail before.
 
Shout out to Butcher Bill!!

Guys, I just wanted to give kudos where they're due. I bought a 14" Mossberg 590A1 heavy barrel and a Mossberg 835 to install it on...problem being, the mag tube is too long for a 14" mounting. Butcher Bill and his mill to the rescue!

This guy (Butcher Bill) reaches out to me, goes back and forth for over an hour with me regarding measurements (he's on the other side of the continent from me.), he sources materials by himself and on his own mill or lathe, and on his own time turns this out for me...and asks only that I cover the cost of shipping!?

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It's a perfect fit! I have to either turn the front rack nut in a few turns, or on an emery cloth, take a few thou off the nut and reinstall. It's a literal c-hair from closing the chamber, but that's not the spacer issue, it's a barrel to receiver length issue and it's easily fixed.

While I paid for the shipping, and I trust did right by you Bill, I am in your debt and I thank you. When our range dries out and I fix the chambering issue, a video will be forthcoming.

I also promise to pay it forward whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Bill, you're one of the best of us. You got me out of a jam, thanks bro.
 
Nice, glad to hear the spacer fits. Always interesting to machine something to fit an item you don’t have in your hands lol. Happy to lend a hand and help out a fellow gun nut, was enjoying a glass of the whiskey I picked up the other night and I hoped it would be a nice fit.

So the forend/action bar nut is too thick to let things lock up with the new barrel, should be an easy thing to fix I bet. When I bought a 14” heavy barrel for an 870 I had to lightly file a couple thou off the od of the chamber end of it to allow it to slip into the receiver, easy fix and I think the snug fit of it helps with slug accuracy.

Again, happy I could offer to help.
 
Six (6), 2.75" shells in the magazine.

I'm assuming 4 3.5" shells with the plug removed. I don't have any Super magnums at home at the moment.
 
I may need to add two 14’s next! Thinking… thinking…

The best of them all!

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I have a Mossberg 590 Shockwave with a regular stock, a metal safety, Defender Tactical Universal Minishell Adapter and follower, not a 590A1 but not far lol, 14" is perfect, my favorite shotgun.

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So what’s the status on this project, did you get it to lock up?

Sure did. I had to take more off the nut than a few thou, it's actually only about a 1/16th proud of the wood, but she closes like a bank vault now.

I took it, and my 590A1 retrograde out several weeks ago with an ammo can full of slugs.:evil: I also brought the rubber adapter and a few sleeves of the mini shells to see what they'd do.

The 835 with 14" 590A1 barrel was disappointing, but I'll fix it. I set up at 50 yards, and used a 6 o'clock poa hold on the bullseye with the front bead. Boom! Smoke clears...no hit. Tried again...still no print.

I try a combat type sight picture and hold over the bulls...boom! Still no print. WTF!? I couldn't even see where they were going...20 or 30 slugs and nothing on paper at 50 yards!? Then, in desperation I aimed at the ground in front of the target board...boom, bullseye!! WTF!? This thing shoots 3 feet high!? My mind turned to why, and how to fix it.

I forgot that the 835 has a large 10 bore barrel normally. The OD would be larger and it has a vent rib on top of that...the fix is a Mossberg Ghost ring and rifle sight set up. I have been put on a wait list from one of our dealers here. Although I have a significant astigmatism, I do have a spare Holosun red dot and S&J sell an adapter plate. I may very well go this route as I believe I'll have more adjustment out of the holosun, than the Ghost ring.

The short shells are interesting. In the Mossberg 9 round magazine, a ridiculous amount of short shells are held. I don't recall how many, but it's a lot. The adapter worked flawlessly, never had a hiccup. Compared to a 2.75" shell, the short shells are just mouse farts. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end, but they are certainly less than half the power of a regular shell. Next to no recoil which made running the shotgun lots of fun.
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