I saw an article a while back - I think maybe in Clay Target Nation magazine. Title was something like "Get Over the Gun". I wanted to revisit it but can't find it now. My search skills are failing me. Anyone remember?
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Just did a google search and all I got were articles on gun control and gun violence.
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From NSSA-NSCA Target Talk LESSONS
How (and Why) to Get Over the Gun
Have you heard the phrase “get over the gun?” It’s a bit different than the standard advice of “bring the gun to your face, not your face to the gun,” although that’s still good advice on many targets. But on faster, wider-angled targets that require a lot of barrel movement, Russell Mark from Go Shooting explains in this video that getting over the gun can be a better technique. “Getting over the gun requires that I transfer some of the weight in my body forward,” he explains. “By doing this, my head will stay firmly and consistently on the stock no matter what direction the flight line of the target takes. … This technique will require your face to meet the stock partway on its journey to your shoulder.” There’s a lot of information packed into this short video, so watch the whole thing here to learn more about getting over the gun.
How (and Why) to Get Over the Gun
Have you heard the phrase “get over the gun?” It’s a bit different than the standard advice of “bring the gun to your face, not your face to the gun,” although that’s still good advice on many targets. But on faster, wider-angled targets that require a lot of barrel movement, Russell Mark from Go Shooting explains in this video that getting over the gun can be a better technique. “Getting over the gun requires that I transfer some of the weight in my body forward,” he explains. “By doing this, my head will stay firmly and consistently on the stock no matter what direction the flight line of the target takes. … This technique will require your face to meet the stock partway on its journey to your shoulder.” There’s a lot of information packed into this short video, so watch the whole thing here to learn more about getting over the gun.
Yessss..... Thank You!
At least in part, I think. We're taught 'head erect - gun to face - then to shoulder. "Crawling the Stock", has been generally a negative expression, but if we look at pictures of the pros, (Anthony Matarese Jr below)
...his head is anything but erect and heaven knows how he doesn't bust his nose with his thumb. The weight forward encourages swing from the body instead of the arms. He's arguably one of the best in the world. (Just won the nationals) so he gets to make his own rules - and perhaps he, and other pros, have something we should consider beyond the conventional wisdom. He is definitely "over the gun".
I've often used this for new shooters who are leaning way back to hold the gun up. The old line about 'lean into it like a fighter', has limited success, but if I say "I'd like to see your nose about 2 or 3 fingers from your thumb knuckle" (crawling the stock), all of a sudden that gun no longer feels like an anvil.
I've been exploring this lately (the reason for this thread). It's only been about 5 or 6 rounds so far so the jury is still out by a long shot, but for context, I'm a pretty solid high 60s shooter and have been for years. Part of this is failing vision and slower reflexes, but at the Blackmore open last week, I won my class in the 28ga subgauge (42/50) - and shooting the 28ga in the main, I got 73 the first day and 84 the second day - way outta my league.
I'm going to stick with this for a while at least.
YMMV
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So are your saying that you've changed your shooting style to be more "over the gun" and it's seems to be working well for you Rob.
I've never been a fan of high rib sporting guns simply because it seems to promote standing upright instead of leaning into the gun and pivoting at the waist. I watch a lot of other people shoot and the high rib guys always seem to be struggling with movement and quick recovery for fast second shots and frankly I think they promote lifting of the head off the stock. I honestly haven't seen a lot of sporting clays shooters use high rib guns with success. It's much easier to "get over the gun" with a low rib in my opinion.
By the way, congrats in winning your class Rob!
I've never been a fan of high rib sporting guns simply because it seems to promote standing upright instead of leaning into the gun and pivoting at the waist. I watch a lot of other people shoot and the high rib guys always seem to be struggling with movement and quick recovery for fast second shots and frankly I think they promote lifting of the head off the stock. I honestly haven't seen a lot of sporting clays shooters use high rib guns with success. It's much easier to "get over the gun" with a low rib in my opinion.
By the way, congrats in winning your class Rob!
Yes, but the data set is still pretty small.
As for high rib guns, TBH, I've tried a few but didn't give them a fair chance. I understand the concept of better view and less chance of spoiling the line, but my brain just said "no". Your analysis may well explain that. Gil Ash is fond of chuckling as he asks "Would you like a little sauce with that rib?" He sees them as a passing fad.
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It will be interesting to see if your score stay up!
Hey Rob, congrats on your success and obviously it is in your league!! Lots of air around those targets. I hear you on the failing eyesight. Was at the super sporting in Quebec Saturday at La Roue De Roy. All the machines had round white signs with a black border and large black numbers. I could see the white with the black border but the numbers were just a black blurr. Definitely a handicap plus tough picking up targets thrown on edge or aerial black rabbits. So I’m now at wether to go with a hanger with my Rx in both Randolph frames or sell all the Randolph and my amber Zeiss to offset the prescription Pillas with three prescription lenses at $1900???At least in part, I think. We're taught 'head erect - gun to face - then to shoulder. "Crawling the Stock", has been generally a negative expression, but if we look at pictures of the pros, (Anthony Matarese Jr below)
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...his head is anything but erect and heaven knows how he doesn't bust his nose with his thumb. The weight forward encourages swing from the body instead of the arms. He's arguably one of the best in the world. (Just won the nationals) so he gets to make his own rules - and perhaps he, and other pros, have something we should consider beyond the conventional wisdom. He is definitely "over the gun".
I've often used this for new shooters who are leaning way back to hold the gun up. The old line about 'lean into it like a fighter', has limited success, but if I say "I'd like to see your nose about 2 or 3 fingers from your thumb knuckle" (crawling the stock), all of a sudden that gun no longer feels like an anvil.
I've been exploring this lately (the reason for this thread). It's only been about 5 or 6 rounds so far so the jury is still out by a long shot, but for context, I'm a pretty solid high 60s shooter and have been for years. Part of this is failing vision and slower reflexes, but at the Blackmore open last week, I won my class in the 28ga subgauge (42/50) - and shooting the 28ga in the main, I got 73 the first day and 84 the second day - way outta my league.
I'm going to stick with this for a while at least.
YMMV
I always liked the higher rib Citori Skeet guns, then I went to a 725, with lower rib, and it took some getting used to. Then I bought a flat rib K20 for skeet, and it took a bit of getting used to. Then I bought a Blaser F-3 Vantage with what they call a medium rib, and my sporting clays scores improved almost instantly. I don't like the high rib, but this medium rib just feels right for me.
I shoot a 725 Trap and find it to be a relatively flat-shooting (60/40) gun despite the taller rib.
Main thing is... the rib is quite parallel to the bores.
I'm contemplating an F3 Vantage and was wondering how that gun would shoot for me.
Would you say this gun shoots 70/30 with its fixed rib?
Main thing is... the rib is quite parallel to the bores.
I'm contemplating an F3 Vantage and was wondering how that gun would shoot for me.
Would you say this gun shoots 70/30 with its fixed rib?
For me, the Vantage is quite flat shooting, 60/40 at most..
Thanks stubblejumper, Westward1, and Wade Kirk
Nice to see three opinions concurring.
Not necessarily a bad thing – as it should simplify the transition if I switch guns.
How's the trigger on the F3?
If there's one thing that could seriously improved on the 725 (or any Browning) – it would be the trigger.
Nice to see three opinions concurring.
Not necessarily a bad thing – as it should simplify the transition if I switch guns.
How's the trigger on the F3?
If there's one thing that could seriously improved on the 725 (or any Browning) – it would be the trigger.
The F3 trigger is as good as I have tried, and my other clays gun is a K20.
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It’s funny how when you get accustomed to good triggers, a not so good trigger is the first thing you notice when you fire a gun with a lousy trigger. Perazzi has the best trigger of all the guns I’ve shot from Turkish guns to Purdey’s and a lot of guns in between.
