Over Under ..... problem's on cheaper guns?

fiddler said:
There is a reason why you rarely see a Beretta O/U for sale unless its an estate sale. Some people need to buy 3 or 4 of these crap guns before they figure it out.
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Exactly. These cheap guns are cheap for a reason. If it's just a beater, fine, but you won't really enjoy it. If you do then when you pick up a really good gun you won't believe the difference.

I wouldn't buy a pickup truck from the SovBloc, not sure why I would buy a gun from there when other people have it figured out so much better.
 
Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
A Cz Redhead Sporting would out last a Browning.
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CZ (Huglu shotguns) product quality has progressed well thus far and it's a welcome change for the shooting community to have access to acceptable quality shotguns from manufacturers that may cost less than the more prominent brands.

However, a conviction such as above is quite simply premature at this point in view of the fact that CZ shotguns haven't been around long and/or shot enough to justify that sort of a claim with any form of consistency!
 
I'll add this here. I'm no seasoned shot gunner, but I learned my lesson with a stoeger condor.
That thing was heavy, clumsy and handled like a 2x4.
Life is too short for that type of stuff.
Went back to cheaper pumps and the like, at least they handle like a gun should.
 
Friend here at work just picked up a Winchester 101 field at bass pro for 1299 plus tax. Can't beat that for cheap O/U built to browning quality.
 
Also got a maverick o/u, its made in turkey by khan arms. Fits me good and has been reliable so far , but I'm only at about 500 rnds .
Bought it just to see if I'd like the over/under type shot gun ,
Happy with it so far, and price was right
 
Ranger Dave said:
I had a Stoeger O/U. It was decent for the price. I gave it to the brother in law. I put many 1000's of rounds through it without issue. I replaced it with a Browning Citori from Prophet River. No comparision for fit and finish but the Stoeger always went bang.
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Similar experience. Stoegers are great field guns. Tool grade, but strong function. My double trigger is perfectly reliable.
 
stubblejumper said:
I did witness a Mossberg Silver Reserve fire both barrels at once.
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As have I. Was shooting skeet when the fellow shooting had both barrels fire after pulling the trigger once. Blew the action open. He tried it again on the next station and had the same thing happen.

That was the end of the day for him. Luckily no one got hurt, but we all had a good fright.

Thanks,
Cal.
 
Any O/U or SXS with a single trigger can double, I've witnessed a Browning 525, Bettinsoli X8 and Kreighoff K-80 double, all in the past year, all of which required the stock be pulled and the internals cleaned. The cheaper made guns usually will require this earlier in life then the better made ones.
 
I have a Kahn arms. I've put 1000's down the pipes in skeet and I've used tubes.
Here's a list of negatives to such a cheap gun for your consideration.
-Fit and finish is not good. The but stock isn't well fit to the receiver and the wood is wearing from the hinge release rubbing on it.
- barrel dimensions are off. I had to have the bottom barrel back bored half way to fit a Briley companion tube in it. The barrel was tighter than the cylinder bore choke that came with it.
- it wears out from the amount of shooting done in clay sports. Now when the gun gets warm the release lever won't stay open. I have to hold it open when closing the action.

I've also had some light strikes and a couple pierced primers but that could be the ammunition.
 
stubblejumper said:
How many rounds fired through each gun? Firing pin issues at 500 to 1500 rounds was very common with the Silver Reserves.
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No Idea on the 12 ga round count. my brother owned it and used it for Ducks and Geese in Manitoba for several years. I would guess at least a case a year went down the tubes. He never had a problem, and I haven't had any problems.
The 12/20 my friend has , has not had many shots, as it is his upland gun . He bought it after returning a CZ that would not #### the second barrel out of the box. It had to be manually switched . Someone reading this would think the expensive guns never break or fail , but do a search on the forums and you see that many Browning's and others have been sent in and repaired .
 
petew said:
No Idea on the 12 ga round count. my brother owned it and used it for Ducks and Geese in Manitoba for several years. I would guess at least a case a year went down the tubes. He never had a problem, and I haven't had any problems.
The 12/20 my friend has , has not had many shots, as it is his upland gun . He bought it after returning a CZ that would not #### the second barrel out of the box. It had to be manually switched . Someone reading this would think the expensive guns never break or fail , but do a search on the forums and you see that many Browning's and others have been sent in and repaired .
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A flat of shells is 250 rounds, so it would take six years at that pace to reach 1500 rounds. On the other hand, a regular trap/skeet shooter could easily reach 1500 rounds in a few weeks. Yes there are failures with all firearms, but the odds of issues are considerably higher with the low end guns, especially with high volume shooting.
 
One of the skeet shooters at our club has a Silver Reserve in 28 g. Don't know how many rounds he's got through it, but he's has problems with it. He's has it in repairs more than once, one time was for firing pins. It currently misfires about 20% of the time on the lower barrel, which is unsatisfactory. Nice looking gun, but that's about it....
At least Mossberg has factory service capability in Canada, one has to wonder about the various Turkish manufacturers.
 
cosmic said:
One of the skeet shooters at our club has a Silver Reserve in 28 g. Don't know how many rounds he's got through it, but he's has problems with it. He's has it in repairs more than once, one time was for firing pins. It currently misfires about 20% of the time on the lower barrel, which is unsatisfactory. Nice looking gun, but that's about it....
At least Mossberg has factory service capability in Canada, one has to wonder about the various Turkish manufacturers.
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Does he reload his 28g? The firing pin for the bottom barrel is struck on a downward angle so if the primer is set too deep it is easier to have a light strike on the bottom barrel.
 
I sometimes question the responses when I see "I have 1000's down the pipe". I would bet a pallet of target loads that many of these thousands are folks who head out to a pit with a box or two of clays and a thrower with their buddies and proceed to blast off a flat of ammo between 3-5 guys and after a few seasons of a half dozen outings total think they have put 1000's down the pipe. I have attended the trap/skeet club time and again and watched the fellows who attend regularily both with budget guns and better quality guns and can say without prejudice you get what you pay for. The number of budget guns that can't make a weekly session of 50-100 targets throughout the season is of no surprise and I often wonder how after week in and week out of being unable to complete a round of clays due to gun issues the budget gun shooters can still stand there and call into question the price of the better quality guns and their owners whom are always seeming to be held up patiently part way through a round for Budget Bubba to get his gun working?!
 
the spank said:
I sometimes question the responses when I see "I have 1000's down the pipe". I would bet a pallet of target loads that many of these thousands are folks who head out to a pit with a box or two of clays and a thrower with their buddies and proceed to blast off a flat of ammo between 3-5 guys and after a few seasons of a half dozen outings total think they have put 1000's down the pipe. I have attended the trap/skeet club time and again and watched the fellows who attend regularily both with budget guns and better quality guns and can say without prejudice you get what you pay for. The number of budget guns that can't make a weekly session of 50-100 targets throughout the season is of no surprise and I often wonder how after week in and week out of being unable to complete a round of clays due to gun issues the budget gun shooters can still stand there and call into question the price of the better quality guns and their owners whom are always seeming to be held up patiently part way through a round for Budget Bubba to get his gun working?!
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I'm not going to disagree with you on this. But since it seemed to me it was my words you were quoting I felt the need to defend myself a bit.

I shoot skeet once or twice a week and when I do I shoot at least four rounds a day. Sometimes 8 or more in an evening. When you are shooting with small squads or competition shooters things move fast. So when I say I have thousands down the pipe that's no bull####.

Also, as I'm sure you've seen, I and others here have all had to learn the same lesson. The good guns may seem pricey when you are first gettin started but you will end up wishing you'd bought one after you wear out the cheap one.
I was warned by the more experienced shooters and my pocketbook told me different. So here I am with a worn out over under and I'm in the market for a sporting model browning that can handle the wear and tear with only having to change a spring or pin over time.
 
That being said. I believe the OP was asking about the quality o the cheaper guns to use as a grouse gun.

The cheaper guns, in my opinion, are just fine for hunting because the number of shots you take is substantially less. It could last him years and when he gets a mark in the wood of his $600 over under he won't shed a tear.

To the OP I say for hunting just buy whatever fits and feels good to swing. If you want to get into clay shooting then invest in something that can take the large amount of rounds you will put through it.
 
the spank said:
I sometimes question the responses when I see "I have 1000's down the pipe". I would bet a pallet of target loads that many of these thousands are folks who head out to a pit with a box or two of clays and a thrower with their buddies and proceed to blast off a flat of ammo between 3-5 guys and after a few seasons of a half dozen outings total think they have put 1000's down the pipe. I have attended the trap/skeet club time and again and watched the fellows who attend regularily both with budget guns and better quality guns and can say without prejudice you get what you pay for. The number of budget guns that can't make a weekly session of 50-100 targets throughout the season is of no surprise and I often wonder how after week in and week out of being unable to complete a round of clays due to gun issues the budget gun shooters can still stand there and call into question the price of the better quality guns and their owners whom are always seeming to be held up patiently part way through a round for Budget Bubba to get his gun working?!
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Okay. I shoot trap. Lots of it. This year alone I put 2225 shells just through my Turkish budget gun. I also hunt 9 months out of the year and except for big game, I use the same gun. I have seen lots and lots of b guns fail worth 10 times what mine is. I have seen many cheap guns fail too. (Pumps for some reason always seem to survive). Since April I have spent more time waiting for one guy or another owning a berreta cursing his shell lifter or some old fart with a browning claiming his barrel selector broke than some "bubba" with a Mossberg getting weak strikes.


B guns are pretty, b guns ARE worth the money. But don't talk down to people who shoot budget guns. Mine puts hundreds of game animals in the fridge every year and downs thousands of clays. And I only shoot clays when the hunting season is closed btw.

Don't be a snob.
 
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